NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 - Page 15

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rigodan

Either tell us why these qb's aren't worth it or

!!!

This is great. First off, can ya read? I'm not making the ****ing pick. You are not making the ****ing pick. PIoli is making the pick. So why do I have to show that neither qb is worth it? I wasn't all that impressed in stafford when I saw him. And I would think a "franchise qb" would impress me in college. Bottom line is for the 88th time its not up to us. I trust Piolis judgement if he picks one of the two fine. If he doesn't then evidently he wasn't impressed. Why does this bother the shit out of you guys so much

Do you really think you know any of this crap more than Pioli???
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Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-21-2009, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

This is great. First off, can ya read? I'm not making the ****ing pick. You are not making the ****ing pick. PIoli is making the pick. So why do I have to show that neither qb is worth it? I wasn't all that impressed in stafford when I saw him. And I would think a "franchise qb" would impress me in college. Bottom line is for the 88th time its not up to us. I trust Piolis judgement if he picks one of the two fine. If he doesn't then evidently he wasn't impressed. Why does this bother the shit out of you guys so much

Do you really think you know any of this crap more than Pioli???
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He IS Pioli!

CaliforniaChief · 02-21-2009, 10:41 PM

The biggest part of this evaluation has to be the interviews/film study sessions where teams get to watch these guys break down tape and demonstrate their intellectual ability to be a QB. And without being privy to these sessions, I don't know how anyone other than the teams and the people these teams talk to would have a clue what the facts on these guys really are.

**DeezNutz** · 02-21-2009, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

This is great. First off, can ya read? I'm not making the ****ing pick. You are not making the ****ing pick. PIoli is making the pick. So why do I have to show that neither qb is worth it? I wasn't all that impressed in stafford when I saw him. And I would think a "franchise qb" would impress me in college. Bottom line is for the 88th time its not up to us. I trust Piolis judgement if he picks one of the two fine. If he doesn't then evidently he wasn't impressed. Why does this bother the shit out of you guys so much

Do you really think you know any of this crap more than Pioli???
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Why are you posting on a football message board then?

You realize that this is supposed to be the entire purpose of this type of forum? We actually debate things here.

Is "Leave it to Pioli" it?

I get it. This is your schtick. It's like how Blueballs writes in verse rather than prose. You're the any answer is "Pioli" guy.

Rigodan · 02-21-2009, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

This is great. First off, can ya read? I'm not making the ****ing pick. You are not making the ****ing pick. PIoli is making the pick. So why do I have to show that neither qb is worth it? I wasn't all that impressed in stafford when I saw him. And I would think a "franchise qb" would impress me in college. Bottom line is for the 88th time its not up to us. I trust Piolis judgement if he picks one of the two fine. If he doesn't then evidently he wasn't impressed. Why does this bother the shit out of you guys so much

Do you really think you know any of this crap more than Pioli???
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We don't know what the **** Pioli is going to do! That is why we can have opinions about it. That's what the board is for, discussing/arguing about the chiefs. If you're not going to argue for a position why are you here? You offer nothing to this board.

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chieftain58

What position if we didn't need a QB?

Frankly if it were me either front defensive seven or offensive line.
Best available

I see what this is really all about. You guys really do think you know more than Pioli. You are that psycho to think that.

Internet chat users. Pretty sad.

And because I readily admit that a guy who helped build a dynasty knows more than me I'm suddenly a ballwasher?

**** you. Don't choke on your cheetos losers.
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Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rigodan

We don't know what the **** Pioli is going to do! That is why we can have opinions about it. That's what the board is for, discussing/arguing about the chiefs. If you're not going to argue for a position why are you here? You offer nothing to this board.

And I can have an opinion about it too so **** you.

Your qb only crowd constantly insults those whose opinion differs but when you get a push back you act like you are being told you can't have an opinion. Its not an outragous thing to say that I do trust Pioli. The guy has helped build a champion. What has been won here?
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Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

He IS Pioli!

**** you douchebag. I guess you know more than Pioli right internet genius?
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Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-21-2009, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

The biggest part of this evaluation has to be the interviews/film study sessions where teams get to watch these guys break down tape and demonstrate their intellectual ability to be a QB. And without being privy to these sessions, I don't know how anyone other than the teams and the people these teams talk to would have a clue what the facts on these guys really are.

Nice take, and Rep!

DID YOU SEE THAT PROFESSOR ASSHAT? THAT'S HOW IT'S ****ING DONE.

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

The biggest part of this evaluation has to be the interviews/film study sessions where teams get to watch these guys break down tape and demonstrate their intellectual ability to be a QB. And without being privy to these sessions, I don't know how anyone other than the teams and the people these teams talk to would have a clue what the facts on these guys really are.

Uh-oh. Now they are going to call you a Pioli ballwasher.
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Crush · 02-21-2009, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ConstantlyBitching

Uh-oh. Now they are going to call you a Pioli ballwasher.
Posted via Mobile Device Inside Pioli's ass

You really need a new schtick.

**cdcox** · 02-21-2009, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Do you really think you know any of this crap more than Pioli???
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You do realize that sooner or later Pioli is going to make a 1st round pick that is going to bust, or he is going to pass on someone that turns out to be really good. And when that happens there will be a bunch of people on here that will have been right about the bust or right about the stud we passed over. Pioli isn't infallible. A lot of people on here have pretty informed opinions. If you give them a chance you might learn something.

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Why are you posting on a football message board then?

You realize that this is supposed to be the entire purpose of this type of forum? We actually debate things here.

Is "Leave it to Pioli" it?

I get it. This is your schtick. It's like how Blueballs writes in verse rather than prose. You're the any answer is "Pioli" guy.

You can. You just aren't required to call people noobs and reeruns and ballwashers if they don't agree with you

To debate the draft and call people idiots you disagree with. Its almost like you are in a psychotic fantasy world where you think if you win the argument then that thing is going to happen. Why can't you discuss it without abusing people and acting like what gets determined in here is the ****ing end of the world? Lighten the **** up will you people?
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**DeezNutz** · 02-21-2009, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox

You do realize that sooner or later Pioli is going to make a 1st round pick that is going to bust, or he is going to pass on someone that turns out to be really good. And when that happens there will be a bunch of people on here that will have been right about the bust or right about the stud we passed over. Pioli isn't infallible. A lot of people on here have pretty informed opinions. If you give them a chance you might learn something.

It's schtick. From username to posts.

Has to be.

And to respond to the previous, I don't believe I've ever called anyone a name on this forum. I might be wrong, but it's typically not my style, and it would be a rare occurrence.

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox

You do realize that sooner or later Pioli is going to make a 1st round pick that is going to bust, or he is going to pass on someone that turns out to be really good. And when that happens there will be a bunch of people on here that will have been right about the bust or right about the stud we passed over. Pioli isn't infallible. A lot of people on here have pretty informed opinions. If you give them a chance you might learn something.

Who said he was infallible? Of course he'll.make mistakes. But he knows more than anyone here that's for sure
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02-21-2009, 09:39 AM
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m. Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion. And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day. Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff. We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players. Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.” The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee. “He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted. “What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.” Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person. “As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader. “The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.” (And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.) So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.
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CaliforniaChief #RIPAce Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $10555899	The biggest part of this evaluation has to be the interviews/film study sessions where teams get to watch these guys break down tape and demonstrate their intellectual ability to be a QB. And without being privy to these sessions, I don't know how anyone other than the teams and the people these teams talk to would have a clue what the facts on these guys really are.
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