NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 - Page 25

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

Pioli Zombie · 02-22-2009, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

If I were a bettin man I'd say Sanchez slides out of the 1st and will be taken in the 2nd if not the 3rd if his Pro Day doesn't drastically improve because today he showed he is not worthy of the 3rd pick in ANY draft.

What a shocker
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Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-22-2009, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

If I were a bettin man I'd say Sanchez slides out of the 1st and will be taken in the 2nd if not the 3rd if his Pro Day doesn't drastically improve because today he showed he is not worthy of the 3rd pick in ANY draft.

Pity we don't all have access to the tapes. Until I see them( and by them I mean ALL candidates ), I'll assume you guys are just doing your usual TFS Shuffle.

bevis369 · 02-22-2009, 08:24 PM

Chiefshrink · 02-22-2009, 08:25 PM

Whatta you bet that if Max Unger is there with our 2nd pick we take him. I would do it. We take Aaron Curry with our 1st pick and Unger with our 2nd. Solid 'football guys' and that is what Pioli wants!!

**DeezNutz** · 02-22-2009, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

If I were a bettin man I'd say Sanchez slides out of the 1st and will be taken in the 2nd if not the 3rd if his Pro Day doesn't drastically improve because today he showed he is not worthy of the 3rd pick in ANY draft.

If not the 3rd?!?

There's not much to bet. Freeman, for ****'s sake, will go in round 1.

milkman · 02-22-2009, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

If I were a bettin man I'd say Sanchez slides out of the 1st and will be taken in the 2nd if not the 3rd if his Pro Day doesn't drastically improve because today he showed he is not worthy of the 3rd pick in ANY draft.

You need to have your head examined.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-22-2009, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

If not the 3rd?!?

There's not much to bet. Freeman, for ****'s sake, will go in round 1.

Hmm....let's make a call:

Do we draft based on Combine performance or Game Time performance?

Let's ask Pioli!

I think we ALL know the answer to that one, yes.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-22-2009, 08:31 PM

Somebody get your Real Player Download on, and let's have a look-see at this shit.

Chiefshrink · 02-22-2009, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

Pity we don't all have access to the tapes. Until I see them( and by them I mean ALL candidates ), I'll assume you guys are just doing your usual TFS Shuffle.

No shuffle here, seriously, Sanchez did not look good today and it what it does is further the notion he maybe should not have come out. I have no bias in this at all and was looking forward to watching him throw since we have the 3rd pick and all the pundits are predicting that we will take him. But he was average at best. Was it just a bad day? Maybe but what a day to have a bad day because IMO it will be the 2nd or 3rd if his Pro Day doesn't drastically improve.

NickAthanFan · 02-22-2009, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

Hmm....let's make a call:

Do we draft based on Combine performance or Game Time performance?

Let's ask Pioli!

I think we ALL know the answer to that one, yes.

If the guy has a great combine you don't draft him cause he's a workout warrior, if his combine is bad you don't draft him cause he sucks.

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milkman · 02-22-2009, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

Pity we don't all have access to the tapes. Until I see them( and by them I mean ALL candidates ), I'll assume you guys are just doing your usual TFS Shuffle.

He didn't look good.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-22-2009, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

No shuffle here, seriously, Sanchez did not look good today and it what it does is further the notion he maybe should not have come out. I have no bias in this at all and was looking forward to watching him throw since we have the 3rd pick and all the pundits are predicting that we will take him. But he was average at best. Was it just a bad day? Maybe but what a day to have a bad day because IMO it will be the 2nd or 3rd if his Pro Day doesn't drastically improve.

Sorry man, your track record kind of speaks for itself; tapes please.

milkman · 02-22-2009, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

No shuffle here, seriously, Sanchez did not look good today and it what it does is further the notion he maybe should not have come out. I have no bias in this at all and was looking forward to watching him throw since we have the 3rd pick and all the pundits are predicting that we will take him. But he was average at best. Was it just a bad day? Maybe but what a day to have a bad day because IMO it will be the 2nd or 3rd if his Pro Day doesn't drastically improve.

Are you really this ****ing stupid?

**DeezNutz** · 02-22-2009, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

He didn't look good.

I believe you, but I still want to see just how badly.

It's strange that it was at least decent enough for McDouche to praise him. It couldn't have been a complete cluster****, right?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-22-2009, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NickAthanFan

If the guy has a great combine you don't draft him cause he's a workout warrior, if his combine is bad you don't draft him cause he sucks.

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02-21-2009, 09:39 AM
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m. Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion. And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day. Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff. We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players. Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.” The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee. “He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted. “What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.” Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person. “As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader. “The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.” (And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.) So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.
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