NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 - Page 36

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

Chiefshrink · 02-22-2009, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16

It may be devastating to hear this, but General Patton died in 1945. You are either a zombie, or you aren't him.

Peanut damn it! Get back on your meds!! You are funnier than this and I am disappointed! I am serious, man!!! For all the sh** you throw at me I should really dislike you but for some reason I feel sorry for you and I see a talent of humor you have but you haven't been on your game lately. What gives???

**Reaper16** · 02-22-2009, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

Peanut damn it! Get back on your meds!! You are funnier than this and I am disappointed! I am serious, man!!! For all the sh** you throw at me I should really dislike you but for some reason I feel sorry for you and I see a talent of humor you have but you haven't been on your game lately. What gives???

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-22-2009, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

Outlandish????? Hell I don't think it is 'outlandish'!! I am putting all my $$ where my mouth is and you are running like most typical liberals tards do. Pop off at the mouth then don't back it up!!

Come on tough guy you came at me first and General Patton loves the sting of battle!!!

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

But mark my words we will pick Curry or trade down at this point. And we will draft a QB but it will be in the later rds and I suspect it will be someone who Pioli feels fits the Tom Brady bill that is flying under the radar.
Willing to bet all of your casino cash on this?

So, I bet 10,000 to win 2,500?

So then, I take it that your words are only worth 1/4 of others' since by marking them and getting called out, you want four times the return for the same bet.

I said "Willing to bet your casino cash?", and you wouldn't accept unless I gave you 4-1 odds, even though you said "Mark my words."

I know this is hard for you to understand, because you are one of the five dumbest people on this board, but someone who is ready to have their words "marked" are willing to make even-up bets.

I'll make an even up bet. I see that you don't have the cash to do it, so find a few other tards to stake you or take the same bet, and I'll make it straight up.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-22-2009, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

Peanut damn it! Get back on your meds!! You are funnier than this and I am disappointed! I am serious, man!!! For all the sh** you throw at me I should really dislike you but for some reason I feel sorry for you and I see a talent of humor you have but you haven't been on your game lately. What gives???

Chiefshrink · 02-22-2009, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

But mark my words we will pick Curry or trade down at this point. And we will draft a QB but it will be in the later rds and I suspect it will be someone who Pioli feels fits the Tom Brady bill that is flying under the radar.
Willing to bet all of your casino cash on this?

So, I bet 10,000 to win 2,500?

So then, I take it that your words are only worth 1/4 of others' since by marking them and getting called out, you want four times the return for the same bet.

I said "Willing to bet your casino cash?", and you wouldn't accept unless I gave you 4-1 odds, even though you said "Mark my words."

I know this is hard for you to understand, because you are one of the five dumbest people on this board, but someone who is ready to have their words "marked" are willing to make even-up bets.

I'll make an even up bet. I see that you don't have the cash to do it, so find a few other tards to stake you or take the same bet, and I'll make it straight up.

You are trying to split hairs here. Bottom line, you have the audacity to come at all of my $$ 'FIRST' thus I have a right to come back at all of your $$ since you saaaaaaaay you are as confident as me.

Back your confidence up with all of your $$ or turn tail and run

Chiefshrink · 02-22-2009, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

lololol Peanut's not looking good is he?

Chiefshrink · 02-23-2009, 12:03 AM

Come on Hamas !! Where are you??????????? Did you have to go change your tampon??

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-23-2009, 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

Outlandish????? Hell I don't think it is 'outlandish'!! I am putting all my $$ where my mouth is and you are running like most typical liberals tards do. Pop off at the mouth then don't back it up!!

Come on tough guy you came at me first and General Patton loves the sting of battle!!!

**** this sonofabitch; I'll add my entire stash to Hamas' $2500. I don't use it anyway, and it's a cheap price to bring our little George C. Scott wannabe to his knees.

But if I win, I don't want your money. I want you sporting a Sanchez avatar with the following text above it:

Quote:

"I'm SS and I love a Dirty Sanchez"

In?

Chiefshrink · 02-23-2009, 12:13 AM

Gotta get to bed. Hamas I am disappointed but not surprised. Choose your words carefully next time will ya?

You should have said, "since you only have a quarter of casino cash that I do, I will match your $$ on your "outlandish statement". Then we would have had a bet and avoided this beleagured thread bantering.

However, because you came after "all" of mine first with your so-called confidence then it is only fair that I can come back at all of yours and expose the fact that "YOU" are NOT as CONFIDENT as I!!!!!

Another "POSER PUSSY" EXPOSED!!!!!!!!

Chiefshrink · 02-23-2009, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

**** this sonofabitch; I'll add my entire stash to Hamas' $2500. I don't use it anyway, and it's a cheap price to bring our little George C. Scott wannabe to his knees.

But if I win, I don't want your money. I want you sporting a Sanchez avatar with the following text above it:

In?

Nahhhhhhhhhhh, nothing personal here "choir boy" but Hamas called me out, I answered the call and now he is no where to be found!

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-23-2009, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

Gotta get to bed. Hamas I am disappointed but not surprised. Choose your words carefully next time will ya?

You should have said, "since you only have a quarter of casino cash that I do, I will match your $$ on your "outlandish statement". Then we would have had a bet and avoided this beleagured thread bantering.

However, because you came after "all" of mine first with your so-called confidence then it is only fair that I can come back at all of yours and expose the fact that "YOU" are NOT as CONFIDENT as I!!!!!

Another "POSER PUSSY" EXPOSED!!!!!!!!

Here's what we're gonna do:

I'm gonna bet all my cash.

You're gonna bet all your cash.

After I win, I'm going to put you on a plan, Rent-A-Center style, by which you can make daily transfers in order to get up to the 10K you'll owe.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-23-2009, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Here's what we're gonna do:

I'm gonna bet all my cash.

You're gonna bet all your cash.

After I win, I'm going to put you on a plan, Rent-A-Center style, by which you can make daily transfers in order to get up to the 10K you'll owe.

Niiiiiiiiiiiice.

Chiefnj2 · 02-23-2009, 09:34 AM

As fans we've pretty much learned and saw all that we are going to from this years QB class. Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman, White, etc., will all shine on their own pro days. They are scripted, throwing to receivers they know well and highlight their strengths.

It's the individual team workouts that will tell the story. I wouldn't be surprised if KC brings in 5-6 QB prospects.

If you don't have NFL network Gruden talked about the individual team workouts for QBs. They'll give the player a playbook a few days before and ask him to learn the offense. They will watch game film with him and ask the prospect to break down video. They'll have the prospect try to run the offense they were supposed to learn from the playbook to see how quickly they learn and if they can run whatever the team is looking to do.

Pioli Zombie · 02-23-2009, 09:48 AM

Don't you know they don't allow this kind of intelligent football talk here?

Posted via Mobile Device

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-23-2009, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Don't you know they don't allow this kind of intelligent football talk here?

Posted via Mobile Device

Actually, we do. He's acknowledging that QB prospects will IN FACT be under serious consideration!

It's a small step, but a very important one on the road to recovery from TFS.

02-21-2009, 09:39 AM
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m. Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion. And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day. Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff. We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players. Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.” The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee. “He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted. “What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.” Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person. “As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader. “The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.” (And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.) So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.
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02-23-2009, 09:34 AM	#538
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	As fans we've pretty much learned and saw all that we are going to from this years QB class. Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman, White, etc., will all shine on their own pro days. They are scripted, throwing to receivers they know well and highlight their strengths. It's the individual team workouts that will tell the story. I wouldn't be surprised if KC brings in 5-6 QB prospects. If you don't have NFL network Gruden talked about the individual team workouts for QBs. They'll give the player a playbook a few days before and ask him to learn the offense. They will watch game film with him and ask the prospect to break down video. They'll have the prospect try to run the offense they were supposed to learn from the playbook to see how quickly they learn and if they can run whatever the team is looking to do. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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02-23-2009, 09:48 AM	#539
Pioli Zombie Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: olathe,kansas Casino cash: $10004900	Don't you know they don't allow this kind of intelligent football talk here? Posted via Mobile Device
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