Fantasy Baseball Draft Strategies

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's why I like the league I play in.

H2H

The mass stats for pitching are Ws, Ls, Saves
Other pitching stats are K/9, Whip, and ERA

So if you stream, you're most likely going to get your shit pushed in in K/9 and losses, and because you are using lower quality pitchers, one or two bad starts will cause a spike in WHIP and/or ERA.

Plus, there is a 25 IP minimum.

Streaming is the fantasy equivalent of cheezing in Madden.

Meh.

I've played Fantasy Baseball for over a decade...I prefer Roto but streaming isn't cheezing, it's strategy.

I've been in west coast leagues where I couldn't stay up until 2 or 3 AM every morning so I'd stream two days in advance...

I only play in leagues that are competitive...so yeah, maybe it's cheezing in a public yahoo league...but a pay league...if you sign up for H2H and there is no limit for transactions, you're throwing your money away if you don't stream.

As for the guy earlier who said something about dominating ERA/WHIP/Saves...the point of streaming is to load up on enough closers to ensure that you'll win the Saves category 90% of the time...

Anyways...I'd strongly suggest any casual or first time player to play in Roto leagues...H2H is a lot of work...

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Hootie

Meh.

I've played Fantasy Baseball for over a decade...I prefer Roto but streaming isn't cheezing, it's strategy.

I've been in west coast leagues where I couldn't stay up until 2 or 3 AM every morning so I'd stream two days in advance...

I only play in leagues that are competitive...so yeah, maybe it's cheezing in a public yahoo league...but a pay league...if you sign up for H2H and there is no limit for transactions, you're throwing your money away if you don't stream.

As for the guy earlier who said something about dominating ERA/WHIP/Saves...the point of streaming is to load up on enough closers to ensure that you'll win the Saves category 90% of the time...

Anyways...I'd strongly suggest any casual or first time player to play in Roto leagues...H2H is a lot of work...

The point of setting up leagues against streaming and setting max transactions is so that people with no lives and an inability to find pitching talent don't have an advantage from Zerging the waiver wire.

[soundmind]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The point of setting up leagues against streaming and setting max transactions is so that people with no lives and an inability to find pitching talent don't have an advantage from Zerging the waiver wire.

What's a reasonable limit for transactions to limit streaming? Either weekly or season, or both....?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by soundmind

What's a reasonable limit for transactions to limit streaming? Either weekly or season, or both....?

50-60 per season.

The best thing is just to have an active commish who will lock douchebags who pull off that horseshit strategy.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

50-60 per season.

The best thing is just to have an active commish who will lock douchebags who pull off that horseshit strategy.

Back in the day, ESPN.com was where the most competitive fantasy sports were played...everything was pay to play and there were thousands of players who took that shit balls to the wall serious.

I was one of them.

Seems like the only people who call it horseshit strategy are the ones who can't pull it off...

Streaming is part of H2H...H2H with capped transactions is Roto, plain and simple.

Roto is geared towards a great, balanced draft with educated waiver wire moves...capping H2H is rotoissifying H2H...so my advice to you is...stop bitching about streaming in H2H and start playing Roto...

Or get into a league that doesn't allow ANY waiver wire moves...those are fun leagues.

I would LOVE to play in a fantasy baseball league, ANY scoring system, against you so I could whip the living shit out of you...fantasy baseball is the one fantasy sport that is geared more towards skill and knowledge rather than luck (FFL).

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Hootie

Back in the day, ESPN.com was where the most competitive fantasy sports were played...everything was pay to play and there were thousands of players who took that shit balls to the wall serious.

I was one of them.

Seems like the only people who call it horseshit strategy are the ones who can't pull it off...

Streaming is part of H2H...H2H with capped transactions is Roto, plain and simple.

Roto is geared towards a great, balanced draft with educated waiver wire moves...capping H2H is rotoissifying H2H...so my advice to you is...stop bitching about streaming in H2H and start playing Roto...

Or get into a league that doesn't allow ANY waiver wire moves...those are fun leagues.

I would LOVE to play in a fantasy baseball league, ANY scoring system, against you so I could whip the living shit out of you...fantasy baseball is the one fantasy sport that is geared more towards skill and knowledge rather than luck (FFL).

"Pulling off" streaming is not difficult. Anybody with the time to do it and a rudimentary knowledge of baseball can "pull off" streaming. Only cost is staying up late so you can "push the button" before the other guys.

I have consistently crushed a few guys in a H2H league (with no move limits) that I play in by loading up on relievers myself. The streamers tend to go with more "value" closers than true studs like Nathan, I guess since they figure they're punting ERA and WHIP anyway, so I am still able to dominate them in saves (having 2-3 setup guys on your roster usually nets you a vulture save or two a week, too)

I've won the pitching categories 3-2 in the playoffs against oweners who stream each of the past two seasons (and won those categories at an 80 percent clip during the season). The strategy is an effective counter in invididual matchups and over the course of the season.

And I don't think imparting roster limits is "rotofying" H2H. It is increasing the difficulty of the league and the importance of making good moves each time.

[soundmind]

Originally Posted by Hootie

Back in the day, ESPN.com was where the most competitive fantasy sports were played...everything was pay to play and there were thousands of players who took that shit balls to the wall serious.

I was one of them.

Seems like the only people who call it horseshit strategy are the ones who can't pull it off...

Streaming is part of H2H...H2H with capped transactions is Roto, plain and simple.

Roto is geared towards a great, balanced draft with educated waiver wire moves...capping H2H is rotoissifying H2H...so my advice to you is...stop bitching about streaming in H2H and start playing Roto...

Or get into a league that doesn't allow ANY waiver wire moves...those are fun leagues.

I would LOVE to play in a fantasy baseball league, ANY scoring system, against you so I could whip the living shit out of you...fantasy baseball is the one fantasy sport that is geared more towards skill and knowledge rather than luck (FFL).

Football isn't luck. I've taken 4 in a row in my keeper league, and I'm certainly NOT a lucky guy - just draft better than everyone in the league. There's a strategy to it all, that being that if you're gonna spend that pick on Brady, you get his backup.

It sounds like "streaming" is basically the same as jockeying your D/ST on a weekly basis, based on matchups - which I have no problem with.

But I think baseball is different, it's a 162-game every single fuck*ing day environment.....streaming in that arena, to me, is just a ridiculous amount of work...some of us need something outside fantasy sports in our lives....and it makes a good portion of the draft completely worthless. I'm inexperienced, but I'd certainly vote against it.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Hootie

I would LOVE to play in a fantasy baseball league, ANY scoring system, against you so I could whip the living shit out of you...fantasy baseball is the one fantasy sport that is geared more towards skill and knowledge rather than luck (FFL).

Would you then post a chat transcript to prove how dominant much of a douchebag you are?

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Hootie

Back in the day, ESPN.com was where the most competitive fantasy sports were played...everything was pay to play and there were thousands of players who took that shit balls to the wall serious.

I was one of them.

Seems like the only people who call it horseshit strategy are the ones who can't pull it off...

Streaming is part of H2H...H2H with capped transactions is Roto, plain and simple.

Roto is geared towards a great, balanced draft with educated waiver wire moves...capping H2H is rotoissifying H2H...so my advice to you is...stop bitching about streaming in H2H and start playing Roto...

Or get into a league that doesn't allow ANY waiver wire moves...those are fun leagues.

I would LOVE to play in a fantasy baseball league, ANY scoring system, against you so I could whip the living shit out of you...fantasy baseball is the one fantasy sport that is geared more towards skill and knowledge rather than luck (FFL).

So you're telling me it takes a massive amount of skill to stream guys? So going in and seeing someone is playing the Royals on a Saturday, or the Giants on a Sunday is a rocket science?

****ing please.

It takes far more skill to draft a team than it does to sit there like a ****ing loser every night grabbing the weekend starters.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

So you're telling me it takes a massive amount of skill to stream guys? So going in and seeing someone is playing the Royals on a Saturday, or the Giants on a Sunday is a rocket science?

****ing please.

It takes far more skill to draft a team than it does to sit there like a ****ing loser every night grabbing the weekend starters.

Read this thread:

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthrea...rt#post4299292

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

So you're telling me it takes a massive amount of skill to stream guys? So going in and seeing someone is playing the Royals on a Saturday, or the Giants on a Sunday is a rocket science?

****ing please.

It takes far more skill to draft a team than it does to sit there like a ****ing loser every night grabbing the weekend starters.

When you play in an H2H league where 8 of the 10 owners are looking to stream...then yes, it takes a SHIT ton of strategy and research.

I'm not talking about streaming in a yahoo public league when you're the only guy who knows what the **** you're doing.

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

50-60 per season.

The best thing is just to have an active commish who will lock douchebags who pull off that horseshit strategy.

You can't lock them for doing something that's not technically illegal.

If you want to end streaming, then have a max amount of transactions per week. Until then though, no one really has room to bitch.

Also, it's not like streaming is some huge advantage. I tried to stream last year in my championship and still lost.

It's not arbitrage; it's a strategy, plain and simple.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

You can't lock them for doing something that's not technically illegal.

If you want to end streaming, then have a max amount of transactions per week. Until then though, no one really has room to bitch.

Also, it's not like streaming is some huge advantage. I tried to stream last year in my championship and still lost.

It's not arbitrage; it's a strategy, plain and simple.

It's douchebaggery for people attempting to glitch the system. It's Madden cheezing in a different milieu.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The point of setting up leagues against streaming and setting max transactions is so that people with no lives and an inability to find pitching talent don't have an advantage from Zerging the waiver wire.

Well either way, drafting starting pitching is completely overrated.

Every year 5-15 guys no one have ever heard of end up having the best seasons...I.E. Edinson Volquez.

If I'm drafting H2H, I'm spending my first 5-7 picks on offense, my next 3-5 on closers are guys who have fallen too far, and then I cherry pick the end of the draft for guys like Rich Harden who could be the #1 pitcher in the game but everyone stays away from because of injury history...or established guys that had a rough prior season...or guys that make the switch from the AL to NL...

I'd make some suggestions but I haven't prepared for my drafts yet...

Either way, you'll never see Grady Sizemore on my team...I think he has bust written all over him this year.

and Albert Pujols should be the #1 pick, not Hanley Ramirez.

That dude can say whatever he wants about SB's in H2H, it's definitely the one offensive category worth sacrificing.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Hootie

Well either way, drafting starting pitching is completely overrated.

Every year 5-15 guys no one have ever heard of end up having the best seasons...I.E. Edinson Volquez.

If I'm drafting H2H, I'm spending my first 5-7 picks on offense, my next 3-5 on closers are guys who have fallen too far, and then I cherry pick the end of the draft for guys like Rich Harden who could be the #1 pitcher in the game but everyone stays away from because of injury history...or established guys that had a rough prior season...or guys that make the switch from the AL to NL...

I'd make some suggestions but I haven't prepared for my drafts yet...

Either way, you'll never see Grady Sizemore on my team...I think he has bust written all over him this year.

and Albert Pujols should be the #1 pick, not Hanley Ramirez.

That dude can say whatever he wants about SB's in H2H, it's definitely the one offensive category worth sacrificing.

Well of course a guy like Pujols is a no-brainer. But that's talking about a .340+, 40+ HR guy. That's a no-brainer. But Ramirez will be neck and neck with guys like David Wright and Ryan Braun and Texeira, and I say go with Ramirez. Sizemore will line up against guys like Ryan Howard or Carlos Lee, and you gotta go with Sizemore.

Unless there is an enormous difference, I try to steer clear of 0 steal guys as much as possible. I think the easiest way to compete in SBs is to load up on 15 SB guys like Braun or Wright or Berkman. I don't agree with sacrificing a category. SBs is the easiest way to steal a category without even trying. Even if you don't have a Pierre or Tavarez (and you should NEVER go with guys like this), you can still end up ranked in the top 3 or 4 in SBs if almost every guy on your roster is capable of about 15 steals. And that's not hard to do at all and it would not come at a sacrifice to HRs, RBIs, or AVG.