What makes a QB a franchise QB? - Page 3

**luv** · 04-08-2009, 09:40 PM

Smart, athletic, accurate, all of the above? What about mobility? Does being versatile in that way play into anything? I like watching a QB who knows how to handle himself, his team, and the ball. I think it's even more entertaining when they're ab;e to run the ball as well.

Define "franchise QB".

htismaqe · 04-09-2009, 07:30 AM

Mister Bird Flu summed it up nicely in one word.

"IT"

I think the mental/emotional aspects to a QB's game - how he performs under pressure, how well he goes through progressions, what he works on in his off days, how he reacts to and leads his teammates, etc.

Chiefnj2 · 04-09-2009, 07:40 AM

Trent Green had a lot more "it" than people want to give him credit for. He was a good leader and had the respect of his teammates. He took tough hits and got up. He was never afraid to lead the way with a block. He wasn't fast, but he scrambled and went for the first down marker when he had to. Some people act like he had a weaker arm than Pennington.

**luv** · 04-09-2009, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Hell NO.

You listed Peyton Manning as a franchise QB, though. To me, Peyton is also a game manager. I figured that was just part of what it takes.

htismaqe · 04-09-2009, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Trent Green had a lot more "it" than people want to give him credit for. He was a good leader and had the respect of his teammates. He took tough hits and got up. He was never afraid to lead the way with a block. He wasn't fast, but he scrambled and went for the first down marker when he had to. Some people act like he had a weaker arm than Pennington.

I'm inclined to agree with you. It's just not as clear with him because he had a HoF supporting cast and seemed to get overshadowed by them.

Coogs · 04-09-2009, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SBK

They take games over. These are the kind of guys that you have to game plan around because they will beat you. Elway, Marino, Montana, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady all come to mind.

This.

You leave any time on the clock late in the game, and this type of QB will find a way to get it done. I didn't see to many Falcons games last year, but I did happen to be watching when the Bears had a victory in their back pocket, and let Ryan back on the field. Dude made them pay. To early to put him in that class listed above, but that is what franchise QB's do.

ChiefsCountry · 04-09-2009, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by luv

You listed Peyton Manning as a franchise QB, though. To me, Peyton is also a game manager.

Never say game manager and Peyton Manning in the same sentance.

**DeezNutz** · 04-09-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by luv

You listed Peyton Manning as a franchise QB, though. To me, Peyton is also a game manager. I figured that was just part of what it takes.

Literally speaking, every QB "manages" a game, but this isn't the primary connotation of the word in NFL terms.

Left-handed compliment.

**alpha_omega** · 04-09-2009, 11:52 AM

The ability to win consistently....and in the postseason.

Mecca · 04-09-2009, 01:31 PM

The problem with Trent Greens it is he wasn't really good in pressure situation...

Hammock Parties · 04-09-2009, 01:37 PM

Accuracy, brains, the ability to stay healthy. Everything else is a bonus.

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The problem with Trent Greens it is he wasn't really good in pressure situation...

Eh I wouldn't say this. He wasn't Elway maybe but he wasn't a choker by any means. He led a lot of important drives late in games in his five good years.

Hammock Parties · 04-09-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Which is why using the analogy would be pointless it was going to be about playing with QB's with certain ratings.

I have an old franchise QB who gets hurt a lot now. When he went down in my last season my offense went to shit. I lost in the first round of the playoffs despite having the #1 seed because of it. My backup has some talent but he's just not accurate enough downfield. He even has ridiculous speed, but it doesn't make him for his lack of accuracy. Of course my receivers dropped five passes, which didn't help. But I killed the other team on the ground and my defense played an awesome game, until overtime when they collapsed...because I only scored 13 points...because my ****ing quarterback choked....of course losing my surest-handed receiver didn't help. Basically it was a nightmare.

He's 36 now but I refuse to trade him. I'm going Carl Peterson and loading up on free agents. I might go a little conservative on offense to keep him healthy, though. He's lost a lot of his athleticism so I'm afraid what might happen if I expose him to the rush too much.

Crush · 04-10-2009, 11:47 AM

When the game is on the line with less than two minutes to go, a game manager will look at the sidelines with a ****ing reeruned look on his face. He will, in essence, confirm the fact that he has no balls.

A franchise QB carries the team on his back and wins the game.

Sample Quiz:

1. With 1:05 left in the game at your own 35, who do you want at QB?
a. Peyton Manning
b. Kyle Orton
c. Kerry Collins
d. Jeff Garcia

2. If you could have any QB to lead your team, who would you pick from the following choices?
a. Trent Dilfer, 2000 Baltimore Ravens
b. Mark Rypien, 1991 Washington Redskins
c. Brad Johnson, 2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
d. Joe Montana, 1989 San Francisco 49ers

3. If the Chiefs had the #1 overall pick in the 1989 NFL Draft, who would you want them to take?
1. Troy Aikman, QB, UCLA
2. Barry Sanders, RB, Oklahoma State
3. Tony Mandarich, OT, Michigan State
4. Deion Sanders, CB, Florida State
5. Derrick Thomas, LB, Alabama

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-10-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Crush

When the game is on the line with less than two minutes to go, a game manager will look at the sidelines with a ****ing reeruned look on his face. He will, in essence, confirm the fact that he has no balls.

A franchise QB carries the team on his back and wins the game.

Sample Quiz:

1. With 1:05 left in the game at your own 35, who do you want at QB?
a. Peyton Manning
b. Kyle Orton
c. Kerry Collins
d. Jeff Garcia

2. If you could have any QB to lead your team, who would you pick from the following choices?
a. Trent Dilfer, 2000 Baltimore Ravens
b. Mark Rypien, 1991 Washington Redskins
c. Brad Johnson, 2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
d. Joe Montana, 1989 San Francisco 49ers

3. If the Chiefs had the #1 overall pick in the 1989 NFL Draft, who would you want them to take?
1. Troy Aikman, QB, UCLA
2. Barry Sanders, RB, Oklahoma State
3. Tony Mandarich, OT, Michigan State
4. Deion Sanders, CB, Florida State
5. Derrick Thomas, LB, Alabama

True Fan answers:

1) b, c or d

2) a, b or c

3) 2, 3 4 or 5.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-10-2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

Accuracy, brains, the ability to stay healthy. Everything else is a bonus.

Eh I wouldn't say this. He wasn't Elway maybe but he wasn't a choker by any means. He led a lot of important drives late in games in his five good years.

Important drives, or game winning drives?

Hammock Parties · 04-10-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Important drives, or game winning drives?

Game winning drives, sure.

04-08-2009, 09:40 PM
luv You think you can get by this? Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $-1250000	What makes a QB a franchise QB? Smart, athletic, accurate, all of the above? What about mobility? Does being versatile in that way play into anything? I like watching a QB who knows how to handle himself, his team, and the ball. I think it's even more entertaining when they're ab;e to run the ball as well. Define "franchise QB".
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04-09-2009, 07:30 AM	#31
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8099900	Mister Bird Flu summed it up nicely in one word. "IT" I think the mental/emotional aspects to a QB's game - how he performs under pressure, how well he goes through progressions, what he works on in his off days, how he reacts to and leads his teammates, etc.
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	Trent Green had a lot more "it" than people want to give him credit for. He was a good leader and had the respect of his teammates. He took tough hits and got up. He was never afraid to lead the way with a block. He wasn't fast, but he scrambled and went for the first down marker when he had to. Some people act like he had a weaker arm than Pennington. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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04-09-2009, 11:52 AM	#38
alpha_omega Supporter Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Liberty Casino cash: $-1830000	The ability to win consistently....and in the postseason.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-742950	The problem with Trent Greens it is he wasn't really good in pressure situation...
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04-10-2009, 11:47 AM	#42
Crush Amateur Poster Join Date: Mar 2004 Casino cash: $2227091	When the game is on the line with less than two minutes to go, a game manager will look at the sidelines with a **ing reeruned look on his face. He will, in essence, confirm the fact that he has no balls. A franchise QB carries the team on his back and wins the game. Sample Quiz: 1. With 1:05 left in the game at your own 35, who do you want at QB? a. Peyton Manning b. Kyle Orton c. Kerry Collins d. Jeff Garcia 2. If you could have any QB to lead your team, who would you pick from the following choices? a. Trent Dilfer, 2000 Baltimore Ravens b. Mark Rypien, 1991 Washington Redskins c. Brad Johnson, 2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers d. Joe Montana, 1989 San Francisco 49ers 3. If the Chiefs had the #1 overall pick in the 1989 NFL Draft, who would you want them to take?** 1. Troy Aikman, QB, UCLA 2. Barry Sanders, RB, Oklahoma State 3. Tony Mandarich, OT, Michigan State 4. Deion Sanders, CB, Florida State 5. Derrick Thomas, LB, Alabama Last edited by Crush; 04-10-2009 at 11:55 AM..
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