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Old 05-15-2009, 12:21 PM   #1
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True, its just amazing how people didn't get all bent out of shape over that UNTIL he left for Minnesota. The consensus on here was that he wasn't "high risk" Carl was an asshole for not re-signing him. he cleaned up his act etc. People thought Allen was a fun guy, good character, just had a couple run ins with the law, but it wasn't anything serious etc.

Then he leaves for Minnesota and people on here bitch n moan whenever he gets media attention saying hes a dumbass cowboy blah blah, drunken driving idiot and call him all the names in the book etc.
Don't speak for me. I was one of the ones CALLING for him to be traded.
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Old 05-15-2009, 12:26 PM   #2
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Don't speak for me. I was one of the ones CALLING for him to be traded.
Because he was "high risk" or because of the compensation we would get for him?

If it was latter then fine, still IMO it was a stupid decision to trade him.

I for one didn't think he was high risk, he came to camp in shape, many of those around him said he quit drinkin. etc.
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Old 05-15-2009, 12:36 PM   #3
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Because he was "high risk" or because of the compensation we would get for him?

If it was latter then fine, still IMO it was a stupid decision to trade him.

I for one didn't think he was high risk, he came to camp in shape, many of those around him said he quit drinkin. etc.
Both.

He was, and STILL IS, high risk. All users are. The way a team shields themselves against that is to put a behavior clause in the contract. Jared Allen publicly stated several times that he would not sign such a contract, at least not with the Chiefs.

In hindsight, it seems we should have kept him because it was only a year between trading him and Carl getting fired. At the time however, it was CLEAR that Jared did not want to play for Carl and with no end to Carl's reign in sight, the only prudent thing to do was to trade him.
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Old 05-15-2009, 12:40 PM   #4
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If it was latter then fine, still IMO it was a stupid decision to trade him.
He didn't want to be in KC. Why do people forget that?
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Old 05-15-2009, 12:50 PM   #5
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He didn't want to be in KC. Why do people forget that?
I don't think it was KC, he didn't want to be here because of Carl. The ironic thing is if we had franchised him and then gotten rid of Carl, he may have stuck around for Pioli and Haley. Then again, Pioli and Haley may not have wanted him either...
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Old 05-15-2009, 01:06 PM   #6
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I don't think it was KC, he didn't want to be here because of Carl. The ironic thing is if we had franchised him and then gotten rid of Carl, he may have stuck around for Pioli and Haley. Then again, Pioli and Haley may not have wanted him either...
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Old 05-15-2009, 12:58 PM   #7
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He didn't want to be in KC. Why do people forget that?
He didn't want to be in KC but yet he opened up a sports bar in downtown?

He wanted to be a Chief if Carl would pay him, Carl lied to him personally and shipped him off for compensation......end of story.
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He didn't want to be in KC but yet he opened up a sports bar in downtown?

He wanted to be a Chief if Carl would pay him, Carl lied to him personally and shipped him off for compensation......end of story.
Nope.

He said he didn't want to play for Carl, pretty much end of story.
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Old 05-15-2009, 02:09 PM   #9
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Nope.

He said he didn't want to play for Carl, pretty much end of story.
That's not what he said at all. When Carl wouldnt pay him after he said clean up etc and we'll give a long term deal, then Allen said **** it I want out of KC, trade me etc.
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That's not what he said at all. When Carl wouldnt pay him after he said clean up etc and we'll give a long term deal, then Allen said **** it I want out of KC, trade me etc.
Carl asked for Jared to sign a contract with a behavioral clause and Jared refused. He said SEVERAL times on the radio that he was "cured" and that it was "in his past" and that he would NOT sign a contract with such clauses.

And lo and behold, his Minnesota contract has exactly such a clause in it.

Carl NEVER refused to pay him. Carl offered him a contract with CAVEATS and Jared didn't want it.
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