HOF & 3 Coaches

[Mile High Mania]

The NFL is at the point where they really have to be careful of who gets in... because there are great players that are on pace to have great stats.

Would anyone consider Ocho Cinco a HOFer? Not me, but his stats could put him in that discussion at some point.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

The NFL is at the point where they really have to be careful of who gets in... because there are great players that are on pace to have great stats.

Would anyone consider Ocho Cinco a HOFer? Not me, but his stats could put him in that discussion at some point.

You have to compare players to their peers. Ocho Cinco will not get in over Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald, Marvin Harrison, Isaac Bruce, Torry Holt, Hines Ward or TO.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

You have to compare players to their peers. Ocho Cinco will not get in over Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald, Marvin Harrison, Isaac Bruce, Torry Holt, Hines Ward or TO.

I agree and on that note...

Michael Irvin - 12 seasons / HOF Inductee
147 Games
750 receptions
11,904 yards
65 TDs
3 Rings
5 Pro Bowls
7 - 1,000+ yd seasons

Rod Smith - 12 seasons
158 Games
849 receptions
11,389 yards
68 TDs
2 Rings
3 Pro Bowls
8 - 1,000+ yd seasons

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I agree and on that note...

Michael Irvin - 12 seasons / HOF Inductee
147 Games
750 receptions
11,904 yards
65 TDs
3 Rings
5 Pro Bowls
7 - 1,000+ yd seasons

Rod Smith - 12 seasons
158 Games
849 receptions
11,389 yards
68 TDs
2 Rings
3 Pro Bowls
8 - 1,000+ yd seasons

Is Rod not likely to get in? I would've thought so, but maybe he'll suffer from stat inflation issues.

I remember a discussion of a very good WR who had been around alot of years -- I think he retired within the last 2-3 years after palying for the Jaguars or Tampa the last couple of years. His stats were comparable to several HOFers, but I never thought of him as a HOF, just a very good player.

Can't think of his name, but issues like that are going to be a problem for all players, as stats continually increase.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Is Rod not likely to get in? I would've thought so, but maybe he'll suffer from stat inflation issues.

I remember a discussion of a very good WR who had been around alot of years -- I think he retired within the last 2-3 years after palying for the Jaguars or Tampa the last couple of years. His stats were comparable to several HOFers, but I never thought of him as a HOF, just a very good player.

Can't think of his name, but issues like that are going to be a problem for all players, as stats continually increase.

Jimmy Smith... another great example.

And, I would think Rod qualifies... but I've heard some that say no.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Rod Smith - 12 seasons
158 Games
849 receptions
11,389 yards
68 TDs
2 Rings
3 Pro Bowls
8 - 1,000+ yd seasons

Looks like Smith has your boy beat.

12 seasons
178 games
862 receptions
12,287 yards
67 TDs
No rings
5 Pro Bowls
9 1,000+ yard seasons

Almost identical, right? Welll....but how many years did Rod Smith have a top 5 (at least) all time QB throwing the ball all over the field, and a world class TE operating underneath, and a great running back behind the great QB?

For those reasons, I'd tend to give a slight nod to Smith. To be honest, though, given how close it is, they're either both in, or neither is.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Looks like Smith has your boy beat.

12 seasons
178 games
862 receptions
12,287 yards
67 TDs
No rings
5 Pro Bowls
9 1,000+ yard seasons

Almost identical, right? Welll....but how many years did Rod Smith have a top 5 (at least) all time QB throwing the ball all over the field, and a world class TE operating underneath, and a great running back behind the great QB?

For those reasons, I'd tend to give a slight nod to Smith. To be honest, though, given how close it is, they're either both in, or neither is.

You can use that argument though for so many players and people do to either state the case as to why someone should be in or out of the HOF.

Yes - Rod had Elway for the majority of his years with Sharpe, Ed and Davis for several of them. But, Smith was on some good teams and while Brunell is not Elway, he was very productive in that system. Smith also had a solid RB (Taylor) supporting him and there was McCardell playing #2...

It's not like Jimmy Smith was playing with Peter Tom Willis at QB and Brandon Jackson at RB. They're very similar in production while playing on good offenses.

[blaise]

Re Eddie George: Eddie George was a good back, but he wasn't a HOFer, I don't think. There was a time when 10,000 yards was considered a sort of marker for a HOF back, but I don't think that's the case anymore. There's guys with 10,000 yards that aren't getting in, like Ricky Watters and Jamal Lewis and (I hope not) Tiki Barber. Fred Taylor. Clinton Portis will go over 10,000 yards. I just don't see George as a HOFer. It helps to be a media darling like Bettis, but I don't think George has enough of that to get in. But like someone else said, it depends on the class.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by blaise

Re Eddie George: Eddie George was a good back, but he wasn't a HOFer, I don't think. There was a time when 10,000 yards was considered a sort of marker for a HOF back, but I don't think that's the case anymore. There's guys with 10,000 yards that aren't getting in, like Ricky Watters and Jamal Lewis and (I hope not) Tiki Barber. Fred Taylor. Clinton Portis will go over 10,000 yards. I just don't see George as a HOFer. It helps to be a media darling like Bettis, but I don't think George has enough of that to get in. But like someone else said, it depends on the class.

Many RBs over the last decade fall into the same group and most of them are not Emmit Smith and Barry Sanders type of players - those are legit HOF RBs.

George, Watters, Bettis, Lewis, Barber, Portis, Taylor... they're all great RBs, but neither of them really stands out much from the other. So, I think all or none get in... and the same goes with WRs.

I think Irvin was a great WR, but I don't know that he's any more qualified than Rod Smith or even Jimmy Smith for the HOF. Many will say "he has rings", so does Rod... and each of them was considered one of the best of his era for a number of years.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Many RBs over the last decade fall into the same group and most of them are not Emmit Smith and Barry Sanders type of players - those are legit HOF RBs.

George, Watters, Bettis, Lewis, Barber, Portis, Taylor... they're all great RBs, but neither of them really stands out much from the other. So, I think all or none get in... and the same goes with WRs.

I think Irvin was a great WR, but I don't know that he's any more qualified than Rod Smith or even Jimmy Smith for the HOF. Many will say "he has rings", so does Rod... and each of them was considered one of the best of his era for a number of years.

I agree -- they're all out.

IMHO there's waaaay too much focus on skill position players in the NFL HOF anyway, and the standards for them are too loose to begin with.

[DaKCMan AP]

I wouldn't put Rod Smith in before Jerry Rice, Cris Carter, Tim Brown, Andre Reed or Jimmy Smith.

[blaise]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

I wouldn't put Rod Smith in before Jerry Rice, Cris Carter, Tim Brown, Andre Reed or Jimmy Smith.

No me neither.

[Demonpenz]

Marty was like the guy who would get A's in all his course work and an F on the test and get a C in the class. That is not hall of fame worthy

[CoMoChief]

God I hate Emmtt Smiff

[Valiant]

IMO, Marty should not make it in.. The playoff record alone should keep him out..