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Old 08-27-2009, 08:16 PM   #1
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No. I'm saying that it doesn't make sense to put both Mannings in the franchise section and to not have Eli with the second tier. Really, I'm trying to be polite about this, but calling Eli a franchise level player is just about as ****ing stupid as it gets.
Dude.

He was drafted with the expectation that comes with a franchise QB.

He plays in the most demanding media market in the NFL.

When his team needed him most, he went on the best 5-6 game run of his career, carrying that team through the playoffs and into the Super Bowl.

Then he leads his team on a last-minute drive against a 16-0 team that had been destroying the opposition for 4 months to win the Lombardi Trophy.

The Giants traded multiple picks hoping expecting that Eli would be that guy, and he didn't disappoint.
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Old 08-27-2009, 08:17 PM   #2
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Dude.

He was drafted with the expectation that comes with a franchise QB.

He plays in the most demanding media market in the NFL.

When his team needed him most, he went on the best 5-6 game run of his career, carrying that team through the playoffs and into the Super Bowl.

Then he leads his team on a last-minute drive against a 16-0 team that had been destroying the opposition for 4 months to win the Lombardi Trophy.

The Giants traded multiple picks hoping expecting that Eli would be that guy, and he didn't disappoint.
Trent Dilfer says "hello".

This is the root of my issue with you on this stuff. You're completely inconsistent.

Wait..... was Dilfer a 'Franchise' level QB?
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Old 08-27-2009, 08:23 PM   #3
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Wait..... was Dilfer a 'Franchise' level QB?
he must have been. he was a high draft pick and won a SB.
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Old 08-27-2009, 08:28 PM   #4
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Trent Dilfer says "hello".

This is the root of my issue with you on this stuff. You're completely inconsistent.

Wait..... was Dilfer a 'Franchise' level QB?
Wow, talk about disingenous.

Did Trent Dilfer play to the level expected of a franchise QB his entire career?

Or did he fall ass-backwards into the perfect spot, with the perfect team?

Had Peyton Manning played like Neil Lomax for 8 seasons, and then won a SB, we wouldn't be calling him a franchise QB either.
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Old 08-27-2009, 08:30 PM   #5
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Or did he fall ass-backwards into the perfect spot, with the perfect team?


how ironic
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Old 08-27-2009, 08:32 PM   #6
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how ironic
How idiotic.

I'm still waiting on that list of multiple SB winning QB's.

I mean, Roethlisberger "fell into" 2 championships in 4 years, the list must be a mile long if it's that easy.
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Old 08-27-2009, 08:35 PM   #7
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How idiotic.

I'm still waiting on that list of multiple SB winning QB's.

I mean, Roethlisberger "fell into" 2 championships in 4 years, the list must be a mile long if it's that easy.
I guess you aren't getting the point. Roth was fortunate enough to be on a great TEAM.

kinda like...Trent Dilfer, eh?
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Old 08-27-2009, 08:34 PM   #9
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Wow, talk about disingenous.

Did Trent Dilfer play to the level expected of a franchise QB his entire career?

Or did he fall ass-backwards into the perfect spot, with the perfect team?

Had Peyton Manning played like Neil Lomax for 8 seasons, and then won a SB, we wouldn't be calling him a franchise QB either.
Eli surely hasn't played to the level expected of a franchise QB his entire career, and that was the Manning I was referring to.

55.9% completions
76.1 passer rating.


Dilfer:
55.5% completions
70.2 passer rating

Brad Johnson:
61.7% completions
82.5 passer rating


3 players with 1 Super Bowl win each. So, if Eli is a 'Franchise' QB, how is it that Johnson and Dilfer weren't?
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Old 08-27-2009, 08:38 PM   #10
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Eli surely hasn't played to the level expected of a franchise QB his entire career, and that was the Manning I was referring to.

55.9% completions
76.1 passer rating.


Dilfer:
55.5% completions
70.2 passer rating

Brad Johnson:
61.7% completions
82.5 passer rating


3 players with 1 Super Bowl win each. So, if Eli is a 'Franchise' QB, how is it that Johnson and Dilfer weren't?
Feel free to compare the guy who's played 4 years, with his entire career ahead of him, with two guys that combined for close to 30 seasons...
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Feel free to compare the guy who's played 4 years, with his entire career ahead of him, with two guys that combined for close to 30 seasons...
I will, just as you're comparing Cassel, a guy with one season playing, to players with a lot more years as starters under their belts.
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Old 08-27-2009, 08:42 PM   #12
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I will, just as you're comparing Cassel, a guy with one season playing.
You know why?

All I've been told for the past 3 months is how important his experience is, and how sitting for years behind Brady makes him a can't miss veteran - how it made so much more sense to get him instead of drafting a young QB.

"Cassel can handle it, we'd ruin a young QB."

So the people are getting what they asked for.
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Wow, talk about disingenous.

Did Trent Dilfer play to the level expected of a franchise QB his entire career?

Or did he fall ass-backwards into the perfect spot, with the perfect team?

Had Peyton Manning played like Neil Lomax for 8 seasons, and then won a SB, we wouldn't be calling him a franchise QB either.
has eli manning played at a franchise level his WHOLE career?
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Dude.

He was drafted with the expectation that comes with a franchise QB.

He plays in the most demanding media market in the NFL.

When his team needed him most, he went on the best 5-6 game run of his career, carrying that team through the playoffs and into the Super Bowl.

Then he leads his team on a last-minute drive against a 16-0 team that had been destroying the opposition for 4 months to win the Lombardi Trophy.

The Giants traded multiple picks hoping expecting that Eli would be that guy, and he didn't disappoint.
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