How far can you throw a football?

[Stewie]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Exactly.

It's rare as hell for a kid to be throwing in the 90s, and those who do are playing at top collegiate programs or they are getting drafted.

Go watch the 18 year olds playing in the best leagues. 90 is not rare at all. I don't know where you're getting this idea that it's rare, it's definitely not. Hell, 85 mph is considered a slow fastball.

We used to set the jugs machine at 100 mph with both sides spinning at the same rate (knuckleball-ish). We called it the Ryan-Niekro express. That will test your nerves.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Stewie

Go watch the 18 year olds playing in the best leagues. 90 is not rare at all. I don't know where you're getting this idea that it's rare, it's definitely not. Hell, 85 mph is considered a slow fastball.

We used to set the jugs machine at 100 mph with both sides spinning at the same rate (knuckleball-ish). We called it the Ryan-Niekro express. That will test your nerves.

If you're saying that the top college players in the country, 18-year-olds, are often throwing 90, fine.

But specify this. To say 18-year-olds more generally is not accurate. This is average HS senior age, and most are not throwing anywhere near this, especially in the states of KS, MO, etc. There's not a wealth of baseball talent in the middle of the country.

[VAChief]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

If you're saying that the top college players in the country, 18-year-olds, are often throwing 90, fine.

But specify this. To say 18-year-olds more generally is not accurate. This is average HS senior age, and most are not throwing anywhere near this, especially in the states of KS, MO, etc. There's not a wealth of baseball talent in the middle of the country.

You are certainly correct about the high schoolers, most do not throw 90, the average is probably in the low to mid 70's. I don't think the average fan as any clue as to how fast 80 mph is nevermind 90! I would disagree about the midwest talent. I played against three guys in hs (Springfield) that played in the major leagues and one was the 13th pick overall in 82 or 83. The south and California has the advantage of longer playing seasons for sure, but to say there isn't a wealth of talent in the midwest is a stretch (unless you don't count Oklahoma as part of the middle.