Who is the greatest American villain?

[Rain Man]

A Charles Manson reference in another thread got me thinking about this. Who is the greatest villain in American history, the one that will draw the most ire from any right-thinking American?

Give me some options and I'll put up a poll. Nominees can come from any category: war, politics, crime, business, finance, celebrity, sports, child care, Benetton models, comic strip artists (Bil Keane, anyone?), or others. Give me your best shot.

The rules:

1. We're talking true villainy here. Villainy where you can't really defend anything the person did at a dinner party without getting winces.

2. We're talking national scale. Remember, the kicker that shall go unnamed is a hero in Indianapolis.

3. Real life only. While many may villainize Elmer Fudd for his relentless and brazen murderous stalking of Bugs Bunny, Mr. Fudd does not actually exist, and therefore any villainous acts committed by Mr. Fudd do not exist, either.

4. The villain must be an American citizen, or if their villainy took place before 1783, a resident of the area that would eventually become the United State AND acting against the United States for villainous reasons rather than sincere loyalty to another country in conflict with nascent American liberty movements or peoples and in the absence of a history of loyalty to American causes.

Once I get 20 reasonable candidates, I'll post the poll.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Did you think that I thought the bodies in the street were a bunch of priests?

Spare me. And spare me the condescending attitude. I haven't spent my adult lifetime reading little else but history to have you sit there and act like you're some kind of Harvard history professor. You're the one defending the mass murdering criminal here, not me.

There's a big difference between comprehending history and being some fact-vomiting moron. I have never defended Capone - I just stated a FACT, that he did do things for people that had positive benefits. Looking back as a close-minded, judgmental douche from 2009, you say SO WHAT HE WAS EVIL, but I try to look at history from multiple vantages, and if I was, say, an unemployed Chicagoan from 1930 kept alive by Capone's soup kitchen, I'm not going to mind the other shit he does quite so much, nor will I care about his motives. I'm quite sure the 1930 guy wouldn't give a crap what you thought about his benefactor, and since Capone lived in 1930 and not 2009, who are you to dismiss his opinion out of hand?

I also loved the way you judged Cole Younger in Shithead's thread. Never mind the fact that Younger's PRO-UNION father was murdered by a Union officer over a personal slight - the teenage Younger was just EVIL because he rode with Confederate guerillas. You judge people who lived in another time by modern standards and think you know what's going on? Horseshit. You're a fool.

And since you are a fool, I'll be as condescending as I want. Spare this.

Have a nice day.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by frazod

There's a big difference between comprehending history and being some fact-vomiting moron. I have never defended Capone - I just stated a FACT, that he did do things for people that had positive benefits. Looking back as a close-minded, judgmental douche from 2009, you say SO WHAT HE WAS EVIL, but I try to look at history from multiple vantages, and if I was, say, an unemployed Chicagoan from 1930 kept alive by Capone's soup kitchen, I'm not going to mind the other shit he does quite so much, nor will I care about his motives. I'm quite sure the 1930 guy wouldn't give a crap what you thought about his benefactor, and since Capone lived in 1930 and not 2009, who are you to dismiss his opinion out of hand?

I also loved the way you judged Cole Younger in Shithead's thread. Never mind the fact that Younger's PRO-UNION father was murdered by a Union officer over a personal slight - the teenage Younger was just EVIL because he rode with Confederate guerillas. You judge people who lived in another time by modern standards and think you know what's going on? Horseshit. You're a fool.

And since you are a fool, I'll be as condescending as I want. Spare this.

Have a nice day.

You need to loosen your panties.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

John Wesley Hardin is an (obviously) distant cousin by marriage. I'm fascinated that he was one of "us." I've enjoyed reading about him. I guess I should be ashamed to admit that he's a member of our family.

BTW: I snore like a water buffalo. I guess I'm glad we didn't live at the same time and in the same hotel.

That's awesome.

[chiefs1111]

Michale Myers
Jason
Freddie Kruger

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

You need to loosen your panties.

And perhaps next time you read a history book, you should try one that doesn't have quite so many pictures in it.

[Crush]

The FCC

[bevischief]

Bobbit woman.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by chevy369

Bobbit woman.

REP!

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Well, people are quantifying evil in terms of lives taken. Truman, through the use of nuclear weapons took in excess of 200,000 lives, the majority of which were civilian. However, you could qualify that by saying japanese civilians were warriors and that ultimately it saved nearly as many american lives simply through the use of the bomb. I'm just running with the standards of the board here though.
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[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by frazod

And perhaps next time you read a history book, you should try one that doesn't have quite so many pictures in it.

Sure. After I'm done with the current one on the Battle of Lepanto, I'll try to find one. Thanks for the good advice.

[bevischief]

KKK and like hate groups.

[Pioli Zombie]

Joan Rivers plastic surgeon.
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[listopencil]

Vanilla Ice.

[Coach]

Justin Timberlake.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Sure. After I'm done with the current one on the Battle of Lepanto, I'll try to find one. Thanks for the good advice.

Here, let me save you the trouble.

THE OTTOMANS WERE BAD!

Now you can get back to your coloring book.