Hank Baskett released....

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Urine idiot.

The Detroit Lions were 7-9 in 2007. The Raiders were the same as the Chiefs, 4-12.

Last year, all three teams sucked ass but the Lions and Raiders definitely had more talent on their respective teams than did the Chiefs at the beginning of 2009.

I don't think people understand the effect of talent on performance and how it's interrelated with other performance factors like team chemistry, coaching, discipline, etc.

The Raiders and Lions are ABSOLUTELY more talented than the Chiefs. It's a measure of pure athleticism. It doesn't in any way mean they're a better football team, because it's not the sole determining factor in winning.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't think people understand the effect of talent on performance and how it's interrelated with other performance factors like team chemistry, coaching, discipline, etc.

The Raiders and Lions are ABSOLUTELY more talented than the Chiefs. It's a measure of pure athleticism. It doesn't in any way mean they're a better football team, because it's not the sole determining factor in winning.

Great post.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Great post.

Hey man, did you hear what Haley said in his presser today?

Hopefully, it can put to rest some of the "53 right guys" stuff, no?

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't think people understand the effect of talent on performance and how it's interrelated with other performance factors like team chemistry, coaching, discipline, etc.

The Raiders and Lions are ABSOLUTELY more talented than the Chiefs. It's a measure of pure athleticism. It doesn't in any way mean they're a better football team, because it's not the sole determining factor in winning.

I think there can be a further distinction between talent and athleticism can be made.

We have several physically gifted players who do not translate that into productivity on the field.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Micjones

I think there can be a further distinction between talent and athleticism can be made.

We have several physically gifted players who do not translate that into productivity on the field.

Like who? Besides Dorsey, who's playing out of position, I can't think of one.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Like who? Besides Dorsey, who's playing out of position, I can't think of one.

Derrick Johnson.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Brock

Derrick Johnson.

After more than four seasons of watching Derrick Johnson, I think the guy was extremely overrated by scouts.

Maybe he's gifted athletically but the guy is just not a football player.

He's a guy that plays football.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

After more than four seasons of watching Derrick Johnson, I think the guy was extremely overrated by scouts.

Maybe he's gifted athletically but the guy is just not a football player.

He's a guy that plays football.

Whatever his problem is, he's a crazy athletic talent that should have been a third round pick.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Brock

Whatever his problem is, he's a crazy athletic talent that should have been a third round pick.

My case in point. Perfect example.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Like who? Besides Dorsey, who's playing out of position, I can't think of one.

Devard Darling before he was placed on IR.
That guy might be one of the most physically gifted WR's on this team and that never amounted to much on the field.

Derrick Johnson's another player... Though I'd argue that his biggest problem was being taken 15th overall.
He crumbles under the weight of expectations. If you forget where he was drafted... He's been a fairly productive LB.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Micjones

Devard Darling before he was placed on IR.
That guy might be one of the most physically gifted WR's on this team and that never amounted to much on the field.

Derrick Johnson's another player... Though I'd argue that his biggest problem was being taken 15th overall.
He crumbles under the weight of expectations. If you forget where he was drafted... He's been a fairly productive LB.

I don't know about Darling. I've heard "reports" from people I don't trust that he's athletic and so on but we've certainly never seen it. Plus, the guy was late third rounder cut by a team in desperate need of wide receivers.

DJ is a bust, plain and simple. The guy makes one great play ever 900 snaps.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

DJ is a bust, plain and simple. The guy makes one great play ever 900 snaps.

If the definition for the word "bust" can be confined to 'player that hasn't lived up to his draft position'... Certainly.

But he's the kind of bust I'd like to have IF we have to have one.
He's still been productive. Just not as productive as he should be given where he was drafted.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Micjones

If the definition for the word "bust" can be confined to 'player that hasn't lived up to his draft position'... Certainly.

But he's the kind of bust I'd like to have IF we have to have one.
He's still been productive. Just not as productive as he should be given where he was drafted.

The problem with DJ is that he's not disciplined and he's not consistent. If he were making one play and then disappearing for one play, that would be one thing.

DJ's lack of discipline and poor decision making have actually caused some of our problems over the last few years.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't think people understand the effect of talent on performance and how it's interrelated with other performance factors like team chemistry, coaching, discipline, etc.

The Raiders and Lions are ABSOLUTELY more talented than the Chiefs. It's a measure of pure athleticism. It doesn't in any way mean they're a better football team, because it's not the sole determining factor in winning.

I know people hate bringing them up, but the Patriots' title teams were never the most talented teams in the league. Their best team, which was the best team in the league that year, didn't even win the title, although I thought that was more a fluke than anything. We may never see another team that good in our lifetime.

Anyway, how many years running have the Chargers been the most talented team in the NFL? Unfortunately for them they're also consistently one of the most inconsistent teams in the NFL.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I know people hate bringing them up, but the Patriots' title teams were never the most talented teams in the league.

I'm not sure that I agree. They were never the most athletic team in the league, but they were always talented. They had guys who could flat play the game even if they weren't terribly fast or strong.