@people that think Sanchez would be a better fit

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And again, if Cassel becomes a franchise QB, which I don't see any reason why he couldn't be, than nobody will say shit.

The Giants passed up on Philip Rivers, who ended up a much better QB than Eli. Think they're upset about that decision? You don't have to have the better QB. You just have to have the right QB for your team and I don't see why Cassel couldn't fit into a solid future plan.

All of the QB's from that year are top of the line, Eli is still developing and getting better.

[WildTurkey]

Originally Posted by Mecca

All of the QB's from that year are top of the line, Eli is still developing and getting better.

dude Eli is a gamer.... his drive in the Super Bowl is all you need to see to realize why you need a franchise QB

[jaa1025]

If we didn't have Cassell then sure, maybe draft Sanchez. We might not have had a chance though because then NY would have leapfrogged us because StL was trying hard as hell to trade out of 4.

Regardless, I'm not convinced after 3 weeks that Sanchez is better of the two. You can't judge ANY QB with this line because they would all stink.


One argument I'd like to make is that I was REALLY pulling hard for Rex Ryan. I do like Haley, but god I would to have loved to have him on the sideline. He's going to be a very very good HC for the Jets.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by jaa1025

If we didn't have Cassell then sure, maybe draft Sanchez. We might not have had a chance though because then NY would have leapfrogged us because StL was trying hard as hell to trade out of 4.

Regardless, I'm not convinced after 3 weeks that Sanchez is better of the two. You can't judge ANY QB with this line because they would all stink.


One argument I'd like to make is that I was REALLY pulling hard for Rex Ryan. I do like Haley, but god I would to have loved to have him on the sideline. He's going to be a very very good HC for the Jets.

If we had hired Eric DeCosta we'd probably have Ryan..Sanchez, Bart Scott...

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Mecca

If we had hired Eric DeCosta we'd probably have Ryan..Sanchez, Bart Scott...

Well, I'll see y'all in Hell:

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Mecca

All of the QB's from that year are top of the line, Eli is still developing and getting better.

Like I said, from a production standpoint, Brees and Rivers clobber Eli.

But for the Giants, they wouldn't want Brees or Rivers. You don't have to be the more productive QB to be "the guy." Cassel shouldn't have to prove he's better or worse than Sanchez. He just has to prove that he's the right guy for Kansas City. And we don't have any evidence that suggests he won't be.

If he ends up like Roethlisberger and throws 15-20 picks per year, but makes plays when he needs to, that's fine with me.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Like I said, from a production standpoint, Brees and Rivers clobber Eli.

But for the Giants, they wouldn't want Brees or Rivers. You don't have to be the more productive QB to be "the guy." Cassel shouldn't have to prove he's better or worse than Sanchez. He just has to prove that he's the right guy for Kansas City. And we don't have any evidence that suggests he won't be.

If he ends up like Roethlisberger and throws 15-20 picks per year, but makes plays when he needs to, that's fine with me.

I don't think Sanchez is ever going to be a stats monster either but the guy is a winner. That was the main reason I liked him he did all the little things right, he has the it factor.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't think Sanchez is ever going to be a stats monster either but the guy is a winner. That was the main reason I liked him he did all the little things right, he has the it factor.

I agree with you on that. But again, based on Cassel's experience in New England, why are people so convinced he doesn't have an "it" factor of his own? He's a smart QB, a workout/film room freak, and players seem to really respond well to him. And he did very well in the final, very important stretch in the second half of the season with the Pats.

I really like Sanchez and I think the Chiefs could have gotten a good QB out of him. I always liked his upside better than Cassel. I wouldn't mind having taken Sanchez over Cassel. What I don't understand is when some people make Cassel out to be some loser QB with zero upside and that the franchise made some monumental ****-up for not taking him.

If Cassel ends up being a very good QB, nobody's going to talk about the trade, just as nobody talks about the Giants "****ing up" by taking Eli instead of Ben Roethlisberger.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I agree with you on that. But again, based on Cassel's experience in New England, why are people so convinced he doesn't have an "it" factor of his own? He's a smart QB, a workout/film room freak, and players seem to really respond well to him. And he did very well in the final, very important stretch in the second half of the season with the Pats.

I really like Sanchez and I think the Chiefs could have gotten a good QB out of him. I always liked his upside better than Cassel. I wouldn't mind having taken Sanchez over Cassel. What I don't understand is when some people make Cassel out to be some loser QB with zero upside and that the franchise made some monumental ****-up for not taking him.

If Cassel ends up being a very good QB, nobody's going to talk about the trade, just as nobody talks about the Giants "****ing up" by taking Eli instead of Ben Roethlisberger.

Mainly because Eli has always shown something he led a game winning drive against the Broncos in his rookie year...think about this I believe Eli and Cassel are roughly the same age...that's a problem. We're wanting Cassel to become something guys that age already are.

Also a big red flag to me is a guy like Cassel if he had it as the favorite going in to be the SC QB..he should have beaten out Leinart but he didn't.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If Cassel ends up being a very good QB, nobody's going to talk about the trade, just as nobody talks about the Giants "****ing up" by taking Eli instead of Ben Roethlisberger.

Now that is true.

[WildTurkey]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Like I said, from a production standpoint, Brees and Rivers clobber Eli.

But for the Giants, they wouldn't want Brees or Rivers. You don't have to be the more productive QB to be "the guy." Cassel shouldn't have to prove he's better or worse than Sanchez. He just has to prove that he's the right guy for Kansas City. And we don't have any evidence that suggests he won't be.

but only one of those guys has won anything.... and thats the stat I'm concerned about it..... If Cassel wins games for the Chiefs than I won't worry what Sanchez or anyone else is doing

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by WildTurkey

but only one of those guys has won anything.... and thats the stat I'm concerned about it..... If Cassel wins games for the Chiefs than I won't worry what Sanchez or anyone else is doing

See here was the thing, when comparing them Sanchez is the guy I would call the gamer while Cassel was the stats guy from the NE system with Moss and Welker.

[WildTurkey]

Originally Posted by Mecca

See here was the thing, when comparing them Sanchez is the guy I would call the gamer while Cassel was the stats guy from the NE system with Moss and Welker.

Valid point.... and if that proves to be right its just the same shit we have been dealing with forever

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Mecca

See here was the thing, when comparing them Sanchez is the guy I would call the gamer while Cassel was the stats guy from the NE system with Moss and Welker.

If you take Pioli out of the picture and look at the last two seasons, I feel better as a fan going with the QB who has the ability to fire up everyone around him, even if he is a rook.
At this stage, I take the gamer over "math football".