Chiefs What were your impressions of the game? - Page 6

htismaqe · 10-05-2009, 08:24 AM

The game wasn't on in my market yesterday and radio coverage was spotty all day, so I only heard portions of the game.

Who played well? Who didn't? Were there any surprises?

For example, it sounded to me like maybe Big Irish at RT was what most of us expected - a little better at run blocking, a little worse at pass blocking.

Give me your take.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-05-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Not to mention the fact that it's hearsay. Jason Whitlock says that Brian Waters says that Todd Haley said...

And of course, that means it didn't happen

htismaqe · 10-05-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

Wow. Your helmet is on waaaaaaaaaaay too this this morning. My comment was more in jest than anything else. But shit, why stop here, let's keep analyzing this thing.

Nah, this place just gets my ire up.

Chiefnj2 · 10-05-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Buster Hymen

Nice take. Perhaps tennis of golf is more your speed.

Giants averaged 4.7 yards per carry.

Chiefs averaged 4.2 yards per carry.

Let the spinnin wheel spin baby!

Take out Cassel's scrambling and what did the RB's average? LJ averaged 2.9 ypc.

htismaqe · 10-05-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And of course, that means it didn't happen

And if it did happen, so what?

Reerun_KC · 10-05-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't know about the latter but the former is most certainly spot-on.

Sure would like a link or a report to prove this is true...

Why can anyone give us a link or something?

CP is failing...

**ChiTown** · 10-05-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Nah, this place just gets my ire up.

Really? After all these years, you should know better.

keg in kc · 10-05-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And of course, that means it didn't happen

Did I say that?

I'm of two minds on it. It might well have happened. But at the same time I don't think it's illogical to question the validity of it; Whitlock has clearly had an axe to grind since shortly after the hire. He's been throwing a tantrum for months now.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-05-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

And if it did happen, so what?

Oh, I think it matters.

I think it shows disrespect towards others in the same profession.

I think it displays a "Know-It-All" attitude that's quite unnecessary, especially given it's his first head coaching job at any level.

The bottom line is that it's a comment made by an inexperienced man, regardless of profession.

CoMoChief · 10-05-2009, 11:36 AM

1. ALbert isn't the savior LT like most think he is. The homers on here are gonna bash this comment. But its true. Either that or he's in some mythilogical sophomore jinx slump. If there is such a thing.

2. Oline isn't providing protection at all for Cassel. He has about 2.5 seconds before someone is in his face or forcing him out of the pocket. There are countless times where the ball is hiked and cassel drops back and immediately has to tuck it and run or scramble because the pocket immediately completely collapses. The Oline also gets pushed around in the running game. How many times do we see defenders already in the backfield and LJ barely can get back to the LOS. Barry ****ing Sanders couldn't run behind this Oline. Has LJ lost a step? possibly. But I also believe he wants to be successful as well. No one wants to suck, especially after have being one of the best at your position. I believe LJ is motivated, but also knows his Oline is shitty and possibly has almost little to no confidence in them.

3. Eli Manning had all day to throw. Steve Smith was getting open all day. Though I must say we punished them with hard hits yesterday. If they came over the middle they paid for it.

4. WR's arent getting open. Combine that with Oline's inability to block enough for them to run their routes and get open, and Cassel's inaccuracy, you have a really shitty passing game. Our passing game looks like it couldnt survive in the college ranks. It's that ****ing bad. We may have 2-3 good passes a game. But that's it. Our passing game is a joke.

5. Play calling was ****ing terrible. It seems to get increasingly worse week by week. I know Haley is a new HC, but he's not new to playcalling nor is he new to the game in general and the way we've wasted TO's, managed the clock before HT against OAK, calling shotgun passing formations when it's 1st n goal on the 2 yd line, or just passing in that formation alone, not giving the ball to LJ in those situations is unacceptable. Haley fired gailey becuase Haley has an ego the size of Jupiter and though he could turn this offense into what he was able to accomplish with the All-world WR's he had at ARZ. Well we have an inconsistant Bowe with a journeyman Wade and an inactive Bradley from time to time. Oh yeah and no Tony G. Not having a HOF TE on your team to assist your passing game ALWAYS helps any offense succeed. But that's ok TE's dont matter in this offense. Our leading WR at this point is.....what......wait for it......a TE Sean Ryan, so we're good there.

I've said this for years and really its just common sense. It all starts in the trenches. IT helps to have playmakers for sure, but if you don't have an Oline that can run nor pass block, you're not gonna score points, hell, you're not even going to make first downs. 10 yrds.....30 god damn feet. for most that is from your house to the end of the ****ing driveway. Maybe even shorter. Oline can't open holes for your RB so then the defense then tee's off on the QB when you become one deminsional in the passing game.

Defense same way really, you need your front 7 to generate pressure on the QB, and if you don't, teams are gonna pass all over you, especially now a days where the rules favor WR's over the DB's. Our LB's suck in coverage. I hope to God we add a good LB via FA or the draft next season. This is a definate area of need as well as OL and WR. We could also use a true NT as well. But the one in this upcoming draft has issues about being lazy, overweight etc. Being that we have next to no talent on this roster, reaching for a risky pick in the first couple rds is the last thing this team can do.

The only positives I see in this team.....sadly......is the kicker Succop. So far he's been reliable. Even Colquitt has had some awful punts.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-05-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Did I say that?

No, you did not.

But there are many forum members here who believe that anything Whitlock writes is a complete fabrication, if for no other reason than they don't want to believe what's written. It's too difficult for them to comprehend what's being said because it goes against their own personal beliefs.

Just Passin' By · 10-05-2009, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

3 years of Herm no only ****ed the team, it totally ****ed the fanbase and any rational thought.

It's too bad, because poisoning the well just takes away any enjoyment a fan might have. There's not going to be a lot to cheer about with the Chiefs this year, and people should have known that even before last season was over.

Unfortunately, the fans can't even enjoy the small gains, because too many others are so embittered and they make it impossible. It's too bad, too, because I saw some things to be positive about:

1.) O'Callaghan improved the RT play
2.) Cassel's leg looked as if it's feeling better
3.) Cassel made a very good play on the TD pass
4.) Johnson had some good runs, (which means.....)
5.) The O-Line won some running battles against a very good Giants team
6.) The team kept battling throughout the game
7.) The defense was holding up fairly well until that terrible personal foul call changed everything

**Buehler445** · 10-05-2009, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Buehler isnt smart enough to use a PC... So he can only use his mobile device... Probably was in his office doing some paperwork...

Also agree Fish guy. They are playing hard, regardless of the suck, they arent giving up... Reflects the passion of the Head Coach...

I'd like to take this opportunity, on my lunch break, from my PC to say, F-U

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

That's a good point. Most of the players are playing hard, despite the suckage. That's one thing that did impress me about this game.

And dude... that's a lot to write on your mobile device...

Eh. Htismaqe's question looked a lot more interesting than the stack of shit I have on my desk...

keg in kc · 10-05-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, you did not.

But there are many forum members here who believe that anything Whitlock writes is a complete fabrication, if for no other reason than they don't want to believe what's written. It's too difficult for them to comprehend what's being said because it goes against their own personal beliefs.

Which is not a whole lot different than believing everything that he says...because it fits your own personal beliefs.

It's sort of an atheist versus christian (un-)religious fervor kind of thing. Whatever side folks are on, they hear what they want to hear, and stick their fingers in their ears with a "la-la-la!" for anything else. That's what talk on this board has deteriorated into unfortunately.

As for me, if it was a quote I could verify for myself, or something that other people could confirm, I'd buy it. But just Whitlock? Questionable at best, even though I think it's something that a guy like Haley could say. Although, as others have pointed out, if he's that arrogant, than the 'Pioli's shuffling porter' bit from the dinner wouldn't make any sense.

Let's just say there's a lot of stuff Whitlock's said this offseason about those two that just doesn't jibe for me based on what I've seen and heard myself from interviews and from coverage by other people in the media. Maybe that will change in time, I don't know.

Tiger's Fan · 10-05-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Which is not a whole lot different than believing everything that he says...because it fits your own personal beliefs.

It's sort of an atheist versus christian (un-)religious fervor kind of thing. Whatever side folks are on, they hear what they want to hear, and stick their fingers in their ears with a "la-la-la!" for anything else. That's what talk on this board has deteriorated into unfortunately.

As for me, if it was a quote I could verify for myself, or something that other people could confirm, I'd buy it. But just Whitlock? Questionable at best, even though I think it's something that a guy like Haley could say. Although, as others have pointed out, if he's that arrogant, than the 'Pioli's shuffling porter' bit from the dinner wouldn't make any sense.

Let's just say there's a lot of stuff Whitlock's said this offseason about those two that just doesn't jibe for me based on what I've seen and heard myself from interviews and from coverage by other people in the media. Maybe that will change in time, I don't know.

All of this.

Whitlock wasn't getting much if any respect on this board until he started saying things that supported someones agenda. Hypocrisy run wild.

htismaqe · 10-05-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, I think it matters.

I think it shows disrespect towards others in the same profession.

I think it displays a "Know-It-All" attitude that's quite unnecessary, especially given it's his first head coaching job at any level.

The bottom line is that it's a comment made by an inexperienced man, regardless of profession.

The bottom line is that he'll never feel any personal consequences for saying it, so outside of the minds of fans and Whitlock, it won't ever matter.

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htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8119900	What were your impressions of the game? The game wasn't on in my market yesterday and radio coverage was spotty all day, so I only heard portions of the game. Who played well? Who didn't? Were there any surprises? For example, it sounded to me like maybe Big Irish at RT was what most of us expected - a little better at run blocking, a little worse at pass blocking. Give me your take.
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CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $7672254	1. ALbert isn't the savior LT like most think he is. The homers on here are gonna bash this comment. But its true. Either that or he's in some mythilogical sophomore jinx slump. If there is such a thing. 2. Oline isn't providing protection at all for Cassel. He has about 2.5 seconds before someone is in his face or forcing him out of the pocket. There are countless times where the ball is hiked and cassel drops back and immediately has to tuck it and run or scramble because the pocket immediately completely collapses. The Oline also gets pushed around in the running game. How many times do we see defenders already in the backfield and LJ barely can get back to the LOS. Barry **ing Sanders couldn't run behind this Oline. Has LJ lost a step? possibly. But I also believe he wants to be successful as well. No one wants to suck, especially after have being one of the best at your position. I believe LJ is motivated, but also knows his Oline is shitty and possibly has almost little to no confidence in them. 3. Eli Manning had all day to throw. Steve Smith was getting open all day. Though I must say we punished them with hard hits yesterday. If they came over the middle they paid for it. 4. WR's arent getting open. Combine that with Oline's inability to block enough for them to run their routes and get open, and Cassel's inaccuracy, you have a really shitty passing game. Our passing game looks like it couldnt survive in the college ranks. It's that ing bad. We may have 2-3 good passes a game. But that's it. Our passing game is a joke. 5. Play calling was ing terrible. It seems to get increasingly worse week by week. I know Haley is a new HC, but he's not new to playcalling nor is he new to the game in general and the way we've wasted TO's, managed the clock before HT against OAK, calling shotgun passing formations when it's 1st n goal on the 2 yd line, or just passing in that formation alone, not giving the ball to LJ in those situations is unacceptable. Haley fired gailey becuase Haley has an ego the size of Jupiter and though he could turn this offense into what he was able to accomplish with the All-world WR's he had at ARZ. Well we have an inconsistant Bowe with a journeyman Wade and an inactive Bradley from time to time. Oh yeah and no Tony G. Not having a HOF TE on your team to assist your passing game ALWAYS helps any offense succeed. But that's ok TE's dont matter in this offense. Our leading WR at this point is.....what......wait for it......a TE Sean Ryan, so we're good there. I've said this for years and really its just common sense. It all starts in the trenches. IT helps to have playmakers for sure, but if you don't have an Oline that can run nor pass block, you're not gonna score points, hell, you're not even going to make first downs. 10 yrds.....30 god damn feet. for most that is from your house to the end of the **ing driveway. Maybe even shorter. Oline can't open holes for your RB so then the defense then tee's off on the QB when you become one deminsional in the passing game. Defense same way really, you need your front 7 to generate pressure on the QB, and if you don't, teams are gonna pass all over you, especially now a days where the rules favor WR's over the DB's. Our LB's suck in coverage. I hope to God we add a good LB via FA or the draft next season. This is a definate area of need as well as OL and WR. We could also use a true NT as well. But the one in this upcoming draft has issues about being lazy, overweight etc. Being that we have next to no talent on this roster, reaching for a risky pick in the first couple rds is the last thing this team can do. The only positives I see in this team.....sadly......is the kicker Succop. So far he's been reliable. Even Colquitt has had some awful punts.
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