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Old 10-07-2009, 01:35 PM   #1
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sorry i dont bet on anything. Again what in his, pioli, history says that you are making a good assumption?


If you cant see that signing him long term was a good business decision then you have some problems.


1: We could give him a 2 year try out for 28 million on 2 franchise tags. After those 2 years he could walk, OR We could sign him to a new FAT contract with a FAT signing bonus
2: We could sign him to a 5 year 60 million deal with 28 million guaranteed. If after 2 years he's not living up to expectations we can cut him and not spend ANY MORE THAN WE WOULD HAVE ANYWAY. OR if he is playing up to expectations KEEP HIM on the contract that by that time will be a VERY team friendly deal.


Now i fully expect you to do EXACTLY what you bitch about from others and sit there with fingers in your ears screaming LALALALALALA
But if you could look at things objectively maybe you would see.
Talk about objectivity...

Do us all a favor.

List all QB's that were acquired via trade or draft using a 2nd round pick or higher that were cut after 2 years starting for the team that drafted/traded for them.

I'll wait.
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Old 10-07-2009, 01:55 PM   #2
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Talk about objectivity...

Do us all a favor.

List all QB's that were acquired via trade or draft using a 2nd round pick or higher that were cut after 2 years starting for the team that drafted/traded for them.

I'll wait.
Again: what does that have to do with ANYTHING?

Pioli just made a good business decision. If you cant see that then i dont know what else to say except sorry.

And where was i wrong about us cutting him and not being out anything more than we would have been if we cut him after 2 years?
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Old 10-07-2009, 02:32 PM   #3
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Again: what does that have to do with ANYTHING?
It has everything to do with it.

You're saying you're saying you're confident that Pioli will cut Cassel after the 2010 season if he doesn't perform, and I'm asking you to find historical evidence that someone taken/traded for that high of a pick was cut after only 2 years starting.
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Old 10-07-2009, 02:46 PM   #4
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It has everything to do with it.

You're saying you're saying you're confident that Pioli will cut Cassel after the 2010 season if he doesn't perform, and I'm asking you to find historical evidence that someone taken/traded for that high of a pick was cut after only 2 years starting.
again, what does historical evidence have to do with it?

Anyone looking objectively at this situation from a business standpoint would see it. Sorry if you cant. We may just see it with brady quinn, jp losman was pretty close on seasons started, which was your criteria.

And again i'll ask you: What in pioli's/ the patriots history shows that he WONT cut bait and run from a player that isnt working out?
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Old 10-07-2009, 02:51 PM   #5
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again, what does historical evidence have to do with it?
Dear God.

NFL TEAMS DON'T USE A 1ST OR 2ND ROUND DRAFT PICK TO SELECT OR TRADE FOR A QB, AND THEN CUT HIM AFTER STARTING FOR 2 YEARS DUE TO NON-PERFORMANCE.

IT DOES NOT HAPPEN.

BUT YOU'RE CHOOSING TO IGNORE THAT, AND CLAIM THAT PIOLI WILL CUT HIM WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BACK UP THAT CLAIM.

BUT PLEASE, KEEP LIVING IN YOUR CARBON MONOXIDE-FILLED FANTASY WORLD.

WE'RE MARRIED TO THIS GUY, WHETHER HE PERFORMS OR NOT.
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Old 10-07-2009, 02:53 PM   #6
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Dear God.

NFL TEAMS DON'T USE A 1ST OR 2ND ROUND DRAFT PICK TO SELECT OR TRADE FOR A QB, AND THEN CUT HIM AFTER STARTING FOR 2 YEARS DUE TO NON-PERFORMANCE.

IT DOES NOT HAPPEN.

BUT YOU'RE CHOOSING TO IGNORE THAT, AND CLAIM THAT PIOLI WILL CUT HIM WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BACK UP THAT CLAIM.

BUT PLEASE, KEEP LIVING IN YOUR CARBON MONOXIDE-FILLED FANTASY WORLD.

WE'RE MARRIED TO THIS GUY, WHETHER HE PERFORMS OR NOT.
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Old 10-07-2009, 02:55 PM   #7
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I had to put it in a format that Captain Capslock himself could understand.
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Old 10-07-2009, 03:01 PM   #8
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Dear God.

NFL TEAMS DON'T USE A 1ST OR 2ND ROUND DRAFT PICK TO SELECT OR TRADE FOR A QB, AND THEN CUT HIM AFTER STARTING FOR 2 YEARS DUE TO NON-PERFORMANCE.

IT DOES NOT HAPPEN.

BUT YOU'RE CHOOSING TO IGNORE THAT, AND CLAIM THAT PIOLI WILL CUT HIM WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BACK UP THAT CLAIM.

BUT PLEASE, KEEP LIVING IN YOUR CARBON MONOXIDE-FILLED FANTASY WORLD.

WE'RE MARRIED TO THIS GUY, WHETHER HE PERFORMS OR NOT.
What i have actually said is that pioli seems to have set up the contract situation where he could actually do just that, cut him, if needed.

Oh and by the way i dont think pioli looks at nfl history when he makes his decisions.

How many 3 techs have been taken 3 overall?

And again YOU REFUSE to acknowledge PIOLI'S past history on getting rid of players that dont perform.

And also you should give hamas credit for the "carbon monoxide" thing again. PLEASE come up with some original stuff sometime.
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Old 10-07-2009, 03:07 PM   #9
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What i have actually said is that pioli seems to have set up the contract situation where he could actually do just that, cut him, if needed.
*buzzer*

Wrong.

I said:

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Do you really think they'll cut him loose after 2 seasons if he's not performing?
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YES i do, what would make you think otherwiselooking at pioli/patriots past history

So, I'll ask AGAIN:

When has ANY team/GM/Pioli/Jesus used a draft pick in the 2nd round or higher to draft, or trade for a QB, start him for 2 years, and then cut him due to performance.

There's nothing in Pioli's history to suggest that, there's nothing in the Patriots history to suggest that, there's nothing in the modern history of the NFL to suggest that.
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Old 10-07-2009, 03:50 PM   #10
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Dear God.

NFL TEAMS DON'T USE A 1ST OR 2ND ROUND DRAFT PICK TO SELECT OR TRADE FOR A QB, AND THEN CUT HIM AFTER STARTING FOR 2 YEARS DUE TO NON-PERFORMANCE.


AJ Feely with Miami.... now would you shut the **** up about it.
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AJ Feely with Miami.... now would you shut the **** up about it.
AJ Feely was drafted in the 5th round...
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AJ Feely with Miami.... now would you shut the **** up about it.
Did they sign Feeley to a 6 year deal worth $63M and then let him walk?

No?

Then **** off.
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