Whitlock has a great idea

[orange]

9. Fixing the roughing-Tom Brady-penalty crisis is rather easy.



As I did when I first addressed this problem at the beginning of the season, I'm not going to play the race card. I'm going to continue to ignore the fact that Donovan McNabb had a rib cracked while laying in the end zone and there was no penalty called, and I'm going to ignore the unpenalized illegal hits leveled against Off-The-Marcus Russell and David Garrard last week.

This is not an issue driven by race. It's a star power issue, no different from the NBA officiating that protected Michael Jordan the second half of his career and gave Dwyane Wade and the Miami Heat an NBA title.

Refs pamper the big stars. Refs are humans just like you and me. They get caught up in Brady's fame.

Ray "Avon Barksdale" Lewis and Ed "Stringer Bell" Reed had every right to blast the refs following the Patriots-Ravens game. There were two unwarranted roughing-the-Brady penalties that contributed to New England TD drives. One of the penalties occurred on third and nine and Brady threw incomplete. And the other occurred on second and 11 and Brady completed a 1-yard pass.

The "hits" didn't justify a flag and they certainly didn't justify 15-yard penalties. Why do quarterbacks deserve more protection than a punter or a kicker? Why can't there be a 5-yard running-into-the-Brady call and a 15-yard roughing-the-Brady call?

A hand accidently slapping a QB in the helmet isn't worthy of 15 yards. A defender falling down and grazing a QB's knee isn't worth 15 yards.

And there needs to be a common-sense official placed in a television replay booth. He needs the authority to stop the game and review any and every 15-yard penalty. Look at the excessive-celebration penalty that ruined the Georgia-LSU college game. A common-sense ref in the booth could've stopped that.

If you eliminated the TV timeouts after punts, kickoffs and timeouts primarily taken to stop the clock, a more active replay ref wouldn't interfere with the flow of an NFL game or prevent it from concluding in three hours or less.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/1...are-NFL-Truths

[SDChiefs]

Originally Posted by orange

Because the NFL rulebook says I'm right.


Rule Change No. 3: Unnecessary roughness has been expanded to include shots to a defenseless receiver's head.
The amendment states, a penalty will be called "If the initial force of the contact by a defender's helmet, forearm, or shoulder is to the head or neck area of a defenseless receiver who is catching or attempting to catch a pass."

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/archiv...ate=03-31-2009

It clearly states that it was not to the head or neck area. It was to the CHEST. Therefore, they were wrong. They sent a letter admitting to the fact they they made a mistake in their calling of the game. Its as simple as that. Maybe they didn't appologize for it. But they did admit to making a bad call.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by orange

Once again, you have lept to an unwarranted conclusion.

I have made NO such remission. I still say the call was right. I still say the Teicher article is completely unclear as to whether the league now says there should have been a penalty.

I HAVE allowed that IF the League has backed off, it could ONLY BE because they've decided it wasn't the neck area. Be that as it may, it was close enough to force the ref to make a judgement call. A smarter play would not do that.

YOU are impossible. I can't argue with crazy people. I'm out...

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by orange

Once again, you have lept to an unwarranted conclusion.

I have made NO such remission. I still say the call was right. I still say the Teicher article is completely unclear as to whether the league now says there should have been a penalty.

I HAVE allowed that IF the League has backed off, it could ONLY BE because they've decided it wasn't the neck area. Be that as it may, it was close enough to force the ref to make a judgement call. A smarter play would not do that.

The call was wrong and the NFL admitted it in their letter. If the call was right Page would be getting a fine. No fine no foul.

[orange]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

If the call was right Page would be getting a fine. No fine no foul.

This is not correct. All Unnecessary Roughness penalties don't draw a fine - only flagrant ones. I posted the point a few posts up.

Originally Posted by orange

Why it's important to Page:

2008 NFL Fine Schedule

Flagrant Personal Foul
Suspension or fine; severity to be determined by degree of violation; the fine may be $10,000 or higher for first offense.

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

YOU are impossible. I can't argue with crazy people. I'm out...

Pretty much. Time to move on.

[BigMeatballDave]

Orange is just trolling at this point.

[orange]

Originally Posted by kysirsoze

Pretty much. Time to move on.

It was time to move on roughly 1:30pm last Sunday!

[orange]

Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Orange is just trolling at this point.

Trolling, huh? Who the hell brought it up - OFF TOPIC - on my thread?

Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=215771 Hey, Orange. Read this when you get time...

Oh yeah, it was YOU.

I guess you just need me to validate your existence for some reason.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by orange

This is not correct. All Unnecessary Roughness penalties don't draw a fine - only flagrant ones. I posted the point a few posts up.

The call on the field was helmet to helmet. It was a BS call and that is why he is not getting a fine.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by orange

Trolling, huh? Who the hell brought it up - OFF TOPIC - on my thread?




Oh yeah, it was YOU.

I guess you just need me to validate your existence for some reason.

No, just your general inflammatory disposition. YOU are the only one who believe it was a good/correct call. YOU were proven wrong.

[MahiMike]

Is there supposed to be a "solution" in there some where? I missed it.

[PunkinDrublic]

Notice after the play the Giants reciever getting up and clapping. He knew because it was an Eli Manning pass on a key drive the refs were going to give him the call. To be fair one of the Chiefs safety made a hit that could've been flagged. But unfortuately it was after the game was already out of reach.

Orange you should agree to disagree. You are one of the donk fans on here that is civil. Let it go it's over with.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

Notice after the play the Giants reciever getting up and clapping. He knew because it was an Eli Manning pass on a key drive the refs were going to give him the call. To be fair one of the Chiefs safety made a hit that could've been flagged. But unfortuately it was after the game was already out of reach.

Orange you should agree to disagree. You are one of the donk fans on here that is civil. Let it go it's over with.

Yes, it was a bad non-call on Carr with a forearm to the helmet. I was arguing with Orange because he is wrong. He was proven wrong. Its not just me and a few others saying he's wrong. Video proved it. I don't care if this call screwed the Chiefs. Good teams overcome penalties. I want the officials to make the correct call.

[PunkinDrublic]

Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Yes, it was a bad non-call on Carr with a forearm to the helmet. I was arguing with Orange because he is wrong. He was proven wrong. Its not just me and a few others saying he's wrong. Video proved it. I don't care if this call screwed the Chiefs. Good teams overcome penalties. I want the officials to make the correct call.

When you lost as many games as we have the last couple seasons it makes you pissed off enough to think the whole league is against the Chiefs (even though it's a silly notion). I still refuse to acknowledge the Tampa game from last year as a loss. That BS offensive P.I call on Tony that took away a first down that would have iced the game.