Pioli, Here's your clue for 2010 draft

[BigChiefFan]

I've been looking over the film and collecting my notes of the players that should be in the upcoming draft, that we should give serious consideration to help improve the team. If Pioli plays his cards right he could come away with a handful of players that should improve the team by leaps and bounds and be future staples of the team for year's to come.

1st Round-WR Dez Bryant, OSU- Dez Bryant is the rare talent that brings athleticism and an ability to reel in the tough catches. So far, in just a over two seasons(plus the few games this season) he has 147 receptions, 2425 yards, 19 yard avg. reception, 29 TDs, plus 3 more TDs in the return game. Dez is the rare WR talent that comes along once every 5 years. He's the best WR prospect since Calvin Johnson. Our WRs could use a major upgrade and Bryant could go along way into improving the group.

2nd Round-DE/OLBer Sergio Kindle , Texas- Kindle is a sack artist who plays DE at Texas. He's a high motor player, who will be a tweener at the next level, making him a good fit as a 3-4 OLBer and causing his draft stock to fall some for our benefit.

2nd Round-OT Jason Fox Univ. of Miami- Fox is quickly making a name for himself as the Hurricane start to capture a national audience. Fox at 6'6'' 314 lbs. has cemented himself as the anchor to the Hurricane's offensive line.

3rd Round-NT Jeff Owens Georgia-Owens is not a true NT, but at 6'1" 306 lbs. he could probably bulk up some and give us some depth at the position. Owens is on the Bronco Nagurski watch list for top player in the nation. 64 names are submitted. He was once considered a first round prospect until he tore his ACL in the past. He's a sure tackler and strong as an ox, with a reported bench press of 535 lbs. For a 3rd round pick, he's got upside to play a starting role if he can add some mass and stay healthy.

4th round-HB Montario Hardesty-Tennessee. The SECs leading rusher has been one of the few bright spots for the Tennessee offense. Hardesty is all-around back, who can carry, catch, and block. Great value early in the
4th round. Past injury drops his stock to the 2nd day, but he projects as a starter.

5th round-OG John Jerry- Mississippi- J.J. is an outstanding prospect who has helped make Jevan Snead a household name. He's All-Sec, 1st team and at 6'5" 350 lbs., he's got brick wall potential. He also brings versatility because he's played RT, as well. I like his upside.

5th round-C Erik Olsen-Notre Dame- Olsen is a former RG turned Center this year for Weiss' Fighting Irish. He's another on the Lomabardi best O-lineman in the country watchlist. He's considered one of the top 5 Centers in this year's draft and has done a good job on the O-Line since his sophmore year in 2007.

Once again, it's all about value and who can bring some starting potential to the team. I believe everyone of those players would easily make the team, and most likely start. Thoughts?

[alanm]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

That's a fair critisim on Kindle, however, you should really watch the players mentioned and see how they stand out amongst the competition before stating you don't believe we can find starters late in the draft. We easily can and I listed some of them.

What coach or gm said that Texas players are soft? I'm tending to agree with him somewhat because I can't think of a single Texas player drafted in the past 6-7 yrs in the top 3 rnds that have actually been better than average in the NFL.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Jawshco

I've said it before, but I think we should take RB Ryan Mathews from Fresno, if he's there in the first round. I have very little confidence in our backs, and LJ is showing his age. Mathews will be a steal in the 3rd, and I think he has every down back potential that Charles, Smith and Savage lack.

It's a good thought. At this point, I just don't see any reason to invest in a RB when you don't have an offensive line to get him holes to run through. And given how easy it is to find RBs these days (most teams seem to have 2-3 who can run well), a RB needs to be Adrian Peterson good to justify using a high first round pick, especially a top 5 pick.

Beginning of the second round, that's a different story. And I think there will be some real good players available there. But even though I hate to go in terms of position of need instead of BPA, I would much, much rather go for the top Center or Guard on the board than a RB. Unless the Guards/Centers are grossly overvalued or there is an absolute guarantee of a superstar in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, I think you have to draft two offensive linemen in those rounds.

[Jawshco]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Bryant is an interesting choice, but given his recent behavior, I have a feeling he'll be the second-coming of Michael Crabtree. And much as it would be nice to have a playmaking receiver, how many receivers are actually difference makers? There have been so many pro bowl receivers over the years who have not played for great offenses. I actually think it's one of the lowest impact positions on the field.

I still believe if you want a playmaker, look at the two stud safeties and choose between the two. Pittsburgh's defense looks pretty bad without Polamalu. The Ravens' defense revolves around Ed Reed. In a 3-4 defense, I would argue that a playmaking safety is almost as big of a difference maker (if not moreso) than a real good nose tackle.

You make a good point about impact Safetys. I remember the Colts SuperBowl year, their D looked like crap until Bob Sanders came back, but when he was in there it seemed liked their entire D improved. I'd prefer an impact SS, LB or DT w/ our first pick. But real problem is that O-line is really hanging the rest of the team out to dry. If we can fill the O-line's needs with FA's and mid rounders, I'm all for it, but I still think it needs to be priority #1 . I also agree about WR not being an absolute key ingredient. What amazing WR's did we have in 2003? Gonzo and Priest and Kennison are the only notable ones and 2 of them aren't even WR's.

[Jawshco]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It's a good thought. At this point, I just don't see any reason to invest in a RB when you don't have an offensive line to get him holes to run through. And given how easy it is to find RBs these days (most teams seem to have 2-3 who can run well), a RB needs to be Adrian Peterson good to justify using a high first round pick, especially a top 5 pick.

Beginning of the second round, that's a different story. And I think there will be some real good players available there. But even though I hate to go in terms of position of need instead of BPA, I would much, much rather go for the top Center or Guard on the board than a RB. Unless the Guards/Centers are grossly overvalued or there is an absolute guarantee of a superstar in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, I think you have to draft two offensive linemen in those rounds.

Sorry, edited my post. I meant to say 3rd round not 1st. No, my point is that I think this guy will availible in the 3rd because of his school, but he's got great talent. Sometimes he does look like an AP type of back.

[beach tribe]

So does Dez have the speed we need or is he a Bowe type with more talent?

[ChiefsCountry]

I would stay away from Dez Bryant. He just has two many red flags mainly from where he went to school. Spread offense, OSU's WR busts (Woods, Bowman), and he is not Calvin Johnson, not even close.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by alanm

What coach or gm said that Texas players are soft? I'm tending to agree with him somewhat because I can't think of a single Texas player drafted in the past 6-7 yrs in the top 3 rnds that have actually been better than average in the NFL.

Casey Hampton, Ricky Williams (geez, that dude can still flat out run) and Leonard Davis

[DeezNutz]

From what I'm hearing, Deez is not coming out.

[alanm]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Casey Hampton, Ricky Williams (geez, that dude can still flat out run) and Leonard Davis

Ok I''l give you 2. Williams was at Texas late 90's.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by alanm

What coach or gm said that Texas players are soft? I'm tending to agree with him somewhat because I can't think of a single Texas player drafted in the past 6-7 yrs in the top 3 rnds that have actually been better than average in the NFL.

Avoid Texas players at all costs

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I would stay away from Dez Bryant. He just has two many red flags mainly from where he went to school. Spread offense, OSU's WR busts (Woods, Bowman), and he is not Calvin Johnson, not even close.

Agree. And add to it that he's got the taint of Neon Deon about him now...pass. If I wanted a Dez Bryant type of receiver, I'd rather go with Brandon LaFell of LSU, Arellious Benn of Illinois, Mike Williams of Syracuse or Dez Briscoe of KU.


But because we have Bowe, I think that a possession/slot receiver like Eric Decker of Minnesota would be a better addition than a #1 type guy. Hell, I'd take Kerry Meier at this point. At least the guy is a tough ass sob that can catch a ball over the middle. Probably get him cheap in the draft too. (FA/7th?)

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Casey Hampton, Ricky Williams (geez, that dude can still flat out run) and Leonard Davis

Aaron Ross of the Giants, Justin Blalock (Guard for Falcons). Is Huff soft?

[Coach]

A little early, but Cedric Benson has been showing some promise in Cincy.

[soundmind]

This kid's ties to Deion Sanders can't be a good thing. I'm sorry, while a great corner at one time, Neon is a psychological problem to the Nth degree. Association with that guy in a mentor/tutor role just baffles me. First, you get suspended from football. Then I have to hear that this is why? That's a situation where I look at Crabtree, with the Eugene Parker scenario...add this, some water, stir and you get ridiculous.

We need a breakout WR, this is true. Bowe is not it. Bowe is good, I wouldn't advocate moving him, he's our "Boldin", if you will. We need the spark, we really need a legit threat to break the play open and one that can get DEEEEEP.

I would also argue that this defense needs an identifier. We need a force in the middle of our defense. We need a NT and a MLB that make QB/RBs think twice.

[salame]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Agree. And add to it that he's got the taint of Neon Deon about him now...pass. If I wanted a Dez Bryant type of receiver, I'd rather go with Brandon LaFell of LSU, Arellious Benn of Illinois, Mike Williams of Syracuse or Dez Briscoe of KU.


But because we have Bowe, I think that a possession/slot receiver like Eric Decker of Minnesota would be a better addition than a #1 type guy. Hell, I'd take Kerry Meier at this point. At least the guy is a tough ass sob that can catch a ball over the middle. Probably get him cheap in the draft too. (FA/7th?)

Ideally on a team laden with talent bowe would play that possession receiver role