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Old 10-14-2009, 07:19 PM  
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Clean Slate With The Draftubators
I didn't make up the term but it's an easy reference. I just want to clear my own personal air with you guys. Mecca, chief redeyes, Dane ect.....I just want to say I value you guy's opinions.

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Old 10-15-2009, 07:53 PM   #451
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Either way...my only real talent in life is I have exceptional people skills in real life...like, unbelievable.
Hootie, what you call "exceptional people skills" is routinely called "bullshit artist". I hope you know or learn the difference.
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Old 10-15-2009, 07:54 PM   #452
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Hootie, what you call "exceptional people skills" is routinely called "bullshit artist". I hope you know or learn the difference.
yep you can either dazzle with brillance or baffle them with bullshit
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Old 10-15-2009, 07:56 PM   #453
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yep you can either dazzle with brillance or baffle them with bullshit
Most folks with any experience can smell the baffle a long way off.
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Old 10-15-2009, 07:59 PM   #454
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Mecca...I would probably take 15 QB's over Palmer...he was a former #1 pick...you don't expect more?

What has Carson Palmer ever done to this point of his career? Isn't he a less established, less talented version of Tony Romo? Undrafted Tony Romo?

For the record...I'd take Tony Romo any day over Carson Palmer...and I'd take Tony Romo over Matt Cassel...


Tony Romo is the one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL. If Dallas had a competent QB last week, they would have put up another 10-14 points. Dude is flat out taint.
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Old 10-15-2009, 08:01 PM   #455
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highlights, lets see his lowlights. do they make cute youtube vids of those? palmer only had what 2 top flight seasons. he might bounce back this year but there's a ton of football to be played, even mm said that palmer hasnt looked the same since the knee injury. that was BEFORE the season though
I think Palmer is playing with more confidence now than he has at any time since he came back from the knee.

He's still not quite at the top of his game yet, but there's no way in hell I'd take Romo before Palmer.
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Old 10-15-2009, 08:01 PM   #456
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Old 10-15-2009, 08:01 PM   #457
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Romo won't win a Super Bowl.
I doubt he'll win a playoff game.
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Old 10-15-2009, 08:01 PM   #458
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Romo usually starts fading before the playoffs, usually as soon as late November and December roll around that's it.
He's the anti-Montana/Elway/Marino.

He finds ways to LOSE important games...
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Old 10-15-2009, 08:06 PM   #459
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lol.

Everyone references that Denver game from this year when he threw the ball to Austin twice and Champ made two great plays to prevent a tying TD...but no one references the 4th and 6 (or whatever) where he totally had to improvise and he made an unbelievable play to Austin for 60 yards to keep the game alive...

Two years ago when they lost in the playoffs to the Giants...Crayton dropped a sure-fire, 70 yard TD pass that would have been the dagger and the Cowboys would have beaten the Giants...in that game...the only guy that showed up to play for Dallas was Romo...

People think he's a choker because he fumbled a snap for a FG in the playoffs...he was doing something he shouldn't have even been asked to do...

I bet Romo wins a Super Bowl in the next 5 years or so...I bet by the time it's all said and done...Romo is 36 or 37 and wrapping up his career...there will be questions on whether or not he had a hall of fame career.
Romo's play throughout his career as declined substantially in the months of November and December, and that is the only consistency in his game.

If he can ever paly consistently smart football, along with the ability to make big plays, and overcome his propensity to fall off in the last two months of the season, then there's a chance he might win a SB.
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Romo's play throughout his career as declined substantially in the months of November and December, and that is the only consistency in his game.

If he can ever paly consistently smart football, along with the ability to make big plays, and overcome his propensity to fall off in the last two months of the season, then there's a chance he might win a SB.
Only the fantasy football base would promote Romo as a top 10 QB...
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If I'm breaking the starting QBs down, I'm probably doing it like this:

Elite (HOF QB)
P. Manning
Brady
Roethlisberger

Second Tier (Clear Franchise QB)
Rodgers
Brees
Ryan
Rivers
Flacco
Ryan
Warner
E. Manning
McNabb

Enigma (Possible Franchise QB)

Cutler


Game Managers (Not yet a Franchise QB, highly unlikely to be one)

Hill
Collins
Garrard
Schaub
Favre
Hasselbeck
Romo
Cassel
Orton


Too Soon:
Stafford
Johnson
Henne
Sanchez

Ass: (Won't be a starter in 2-3 years, possibly out of the league)

Edwards
Anderson
Russell
Bulger
Delhomme
Campbell
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If I'm breaking the starting QBs down, I'm probably doing it like this:...
I won't get into a long argument with you about this (mostly because I really don't give a $#it how you look at it) but to me unless you've accomplished some "feat" you don't get considered in with the best.

A playoff comeback, SB where you played well, multiple game winning drives in a season, etc.

Right now the NFL is just flooded with average/poor QB play...
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I won't get into a long argument with you about this (mostly because I really don't give a $#it how you look at it) but to me unless you've accomplished some "feat" you don't get considered in with the best.

A playoff comeback, SB where you played well, multiple game winning drives in a season, etc.

Right now the NFL is just flooded with average/poor QB play...
I don't necessarily disagree, but that's why I put the "best" as Manning, Roeth, and Brady.
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I don't necessarily disagree, but that's why I put the "best" as Manning, Roeth, and Brady.
I look at Manning just like Marino.

I think they're both dicks. I think most the players on their teams hated them. I think their attitudes held them back.

Guys WANT to win for players like Montana, Brady, etc...
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He's the anti-Montana/Elway/Marino.

He finds ways to LOSE important games...
Did you include Marino in there with Montana and Elway? What were all the important games Marino won after his second year?
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