Vrabel and Hali are studs!

[Hammock Parties]

One sack apiece today! We haven't seen a pass rush like this since the days of Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith!

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by BossChief

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!!!

I wonder if some people actually watch the games or just build opinions off of others.

Jared Allen had 8 sacks in his rookie year, one that he only got on the field around the halfway point.

The next year he had 10 or 11, playing next to Sims and Dalton.

Hali came in the next year and Jareds sack total dropped to like 7, so no his totals didnt go up because he was across from the great Hali.

A "Cornerstone" DEMANDS a double team to be slowed down and cannot be shut out of a game unless trippled. Hali can be single blocked most the game.


I like his progression so far, but lets not go full reerun.

Actually, he had 9 his rookie year, 11 his second year. Game situations.

And, if you pay attention, I said it was due to having talent around him including Hali and Boone.

I wonder if guys actually watch the games...because there is a ton of revisionist history and the way they remember it, not the way it actually was.

Allen was always a good pass rusher.... but he wasn't a dominant rusher and wasn't a good all around DE until his fourth year.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Dude, if Hali gets 11 sacks Ill cut off my arms with a pumpkin carver

Well, lucky for you, I won't hold you to it... he already has 21.5 for his career.

Seriously though, he should log 10. I expected eight coming into the season, but he has done a better job than I expected... and the line is getting better.

[milkman]

I don't actually disagree with your overall take on Hali, Sensible (a misnomer if there ever was one), but I think you need to pick up a dictionary and read the definition of "cornerstone".

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Actually, he had 9 his rookie year, 11 his second year. Game situations.

And, if you pay attention, I said it was due to having talent around him including Hali and Boone.

I wonder if guys actually watch the games...because there is a ton of revisionist history and the way they remember it, not the way it actually was.

Allen was always a good pass rusher.... but he wasn't a dominant rusher and wasn't a good all around DE until his fourth year.

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD X2!!!

Jared was dominant because of Boone? Really?

Some of this stuff makes my brain hurt.

Hali is an average player that is looking good because Dorsey is playing so well.

Ill be surprised if, by years end, he isnt getting exposed for his lack of speed in coverage and to the edge, ala the flip play the raiders used to beat us.

He has gotten better, and is much better than I expected, but CORNERSTONE??? PLEASE, just quit.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Well, lucky for you, I won't hold you to it... he already has 21.5 for his career.

Seriously though, he should log 10. I expected eight coming into the season, but he has done a better job than I expected... and the line is getting better.

my bad, I meant 11 sacks this year buddy.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by BossChief

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD X2!!!

Jared was dominant because of Boone? Really?

Some of this stuff makes my brain hurt.

Hali is an average player that is looking good because Dorsey is playing so well.

Ill be surprised if, by years end, he isnt getting exposed for his lack of speed in coverage and to the edge, ala the flip play the raiders used to beat us.

He has gotten better, and is much better than I expected, but CORNERSTONE??? PLEASE, just quit.

Even Allen himself credited Boone with getting him to the Pro Bowl because it was the first time that a team couldn't pretty much ignore the guy playing next to him.

Not saying saying it was 'because' of Boone. Just pointing out that until Allen had better talent around him, he wasn't as dominant. Some of that was the talent getting better. Some of it was him taking the next step.

Sorry that you don't understand the nuances of the argument.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by BossChief

my bad, I meant 11 sacks this year buddy.

I know... just playing around.

I just wish he got to play the Packers.... or the Chiefs.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Even Allen himself credited Boone with getting him to the Pro Bowl because it was the first time that a team couldn't pretty much ignore the guy playing next to him.

Not saying saying it was 'because' of Boone. Just pointing out that until Allen had better talent around him, he wasn't as dominant. Some of that was the talent getting better. Some of it was him taking the next step.

Sorry that you don't understand the nuances of the argument.

UMMMMM what?

OK, if Jared got 9 in 10 starts as a rookie, thats just about 1/game...right? Projected over 16 games that is..........14-16, right? NO BOONE

But somehow Boone made it all happen in 2007?

He may have helped, but really, Allen is a one man wrecking crew.

Jared is good enough that a team could probably just run a 1-5-5 defense and rush him alone every play of the game and drop everyone else into coverage and he would get 15 sacks and the defense would feast on badly thrown and rushed passes.

ok maybe that is a gross exaggeration but it sure would be interesting.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by BossChief

UMMMMM what?

OK, if Jared got 9 in 10 starts as a rookie, thats just about 1/game...right? Projected over 16 games that is..........14-16, right? NO BOONE

But somehow Boone made it all happen in 2007?

He may have helped, but really, Allen is a one man wrecking crew.

Jared is good enough that a team could probably just run a 1-5-5 defense and rush him alone every play of the game and drop everyone else into coverage and he would get 15 sacks and the defense would feast on badly thrown and rushed passes.

ok maybe that is a gross exaggeration but it sure would be interesting.

Yep... as a rookie, as a pass rusher. He caught guys off guard. Notice he wasn't close to that pace in the next year, and he had fewer sacks than Hali the year after that.