Is it conceivable for the Chiefs to dump Pioli & Haley and get Cowher for GM & HC?

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Admittedly, I have been dissapointed with the Chiefs. I expected them to be better, and I expected better coaching decisions.

I think they were a better team last year with less talent.

But, I think this team is laying the foundation. I think that Haley believes in doing things a certain way and will stick to it regardless of losses.

In the end, if he is right, this will build a stronger team.

Part of building the right foundation is the mentality of the players.... which is why they are content to bring in players they know over other guys.

The other part of this, is that until you actually get on the field with a guy, you don't know what he is capable of. You can watch film, but you don't know for sure how he would do in your system, with what you ask a guy to do.

I think the Chiefs were wise to limit their free agency moves. The Chiefs weren't going to contend for anything anyways this year. So, get the talent on the field, see what they can do, define the problem, and then start to solve the problem.

Patience is a virtue. I am happy to see an organization more focused on building a true winner, rather than perpetuating mediocrity.

It is about time the Chiefs were built the right way. I like the overall approach, even if I dissagree with certain things about the way the head coach has handled games, and the way the GM has handled other things.

Time will tell, but the one thing that is certain, and encouraging, is that this regime is clearly looking to the future.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Admittedly, I have been dissapointed with the Chiefs. I expected them to be better, and I expected better coaching decisions.

I think they were a better team last year with less talent.

But, I think this team is laying the foundation. I think that Haley believes in doing things a certain way and will stick to it regardless of losses.

In the end, if he is right, this will build a stronger team.

Part of building the right foundation is the mentality of the players.... which is why they are content to bring in players they know over other guys.

The other part of this, is that until you actually get on the field with a guy, you don't know what he is capable of. You can watch film, but you don't know for sure how he would do in your system, with what you ask a guy to do.

I think the Chiefs were wise to limit their free agency moves. The Chiefs weren't going to contend for anything anyways this year. So, get the talent on the field, see what they can do, define the problem, and then start to solve the problem.

Patience is a virtue. I am happy to see an organization more focused on building a true winner, rather than perpetuating mediocrity.

It is about time the Chiefs were built the right way. I like the overall approach, even if I dissagree with certain things about the way the head coach has handled games, and the way the GM has handled other things.

Time will tell, but the one thing that is certain, and encouraging, is that this regime is clearly looking to the future.

Since you say that, I have to ask. What do you think Pioli and Haley's approach is exactly? Please define for me, what Pioli and Haley are doing that you really approve of. Because I'm having a hard time seeing a pattern to their process.

What is it in general, that gives you the feeling they are clearly looking to the future? What are the positives that make you patient with what they're doing? Where are you seeing progress?

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Since you say that, I have to ask. What do you think Pioli and Haley's approach is exactly? Please define for me, what Pioli and Haley are doing that you really approve of. Because I'm having a hard time seeing a pattern to their process.

What is it in general, that gives you the feeling they are clearly looking to the future? What are the positives that make you patient with what they're doing? Where are you seeing progress?

That is a very fair question.

#1) Most see the willingness to bing in familiar players as a weakness. I see it as a strength. The Chiefs are a fragile team right now, and I think they have to make sure the guys they bring in, have the right attitude.

#2) Patience. They didn't come in and make a ton of changes right away. Some think that this is a weakness. I don't. I think they were smart to get the talent on the field before they decided what guys could actually do.

#3) Cutting talented players that didn't fit the organization. They cut Pollard and Boone. They are both guys that have talent and could have fit this system. This is frustrating on the surface. But, I think they were looking at more than just talent. They were looking at chemistry and accountability.

#4) Lack of panic. Cassel has struggled. It would be easy for the Chiefs to start Brodie to try to get a 'spark'. Or for them to draw up more gimmick plays like the Chiefs did last year. It would be easy to cave in and give DJ his starting job back.

I just see a steady hand guiding the organization.

Now, I have been critical of Haley and if Haley loses the team, then he should be fire when that happens.

But, until then, I think he should be given three years to build the team.

[DeezNutz]

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#1) Most see the willingness to bing in familiar players as a weakness. I see it as a strength. The Chiefs are a fragile team right now, and I think they have to make sure the guys they bring in, have the right attitude.

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Doesn't LJ undermine this argument, the thought that the "right 53" is more than empty rhetoric?

Oops. I ****ed up the quotation.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

[QUOTE=DeezNutz;6227138][QUOTE=SensibleChiefsfan;6227101]

#1) Most see the willingness to bing in familiar players as a weakness. I see it as a strength. The Chiefs are a fragile team right now, and I think they have to make sure the guys they bring in, have the right attitude.

Doesn't LJ undermine this argument, the thought that the "right 53" is more than empty rhetoric?

Oops. I ****ed up the quotation.

Remember, LJ said and did all the right things for all of offseason and the beginning of the regular season.

LJ worked hard, dropped weight and was a class citizen by all accounts.

Now, they are in a bad spot. If they cut him, they tell the team that if they want out, they just have to act up.

They are going to keep him on and make him live with the mess he made. No easy out.

Haley told everyone at the beginning that they were starting with a clean slate. He kept his word. That is how LJ was still here.

It would be different if they brought in guys that had problems like this. I think then, you could say my argument was invalid.

LJ was an prexisting condition that they are doing their best to work with.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

That is a very fair question.

#1) Most see the willingness to bing in familiar players as a weakness. I see it as a strength. The Chiefs are a fragile team right now, and I think they have to make sure the guys they bring in, have the right attitude.

#2) Patience. They didn't come in and make a ton of changes right away. Some think that this is a weakness. I don't. I think they were smart to get the talent on the field before they decided what guys could actually do.

#3) Cutting talented players that didn't fit the organization. They cut Pollard and Boone. They are both guys that have talent and could have fit this system. This is frustrating on the surface. But, I think they were looking at more than just talent. They were looking at chemistry and accountability.

#4) Lack of panic. Cassel has struggled. It would be easy for the Chiefs to start Brodie to try to get a 'spark'. Or for them to draw up more gimmick plays like the Chiefs did last year. It would be easy to cave in and give DJ his starting job back.

I just see a steady hand guiding the organization.

Now, I have been critical of Haley and if Haley loses the team, then he should be fire when that happens.

But, until then, I think he should be given three years to build the team.

I see what you're saying. Although I do see #1,2 as a weakness. I felt that this team desperately needed the chainsaw approach to team building. Most of these young players got game action last season thanks to the youth movement, so we knew what we had with most of them. The weaknesses on the team were obvious to most folks. I think those weaknesses needed bombed and rebuilt, and patience had no value there.

#3 I understand, but I just think they've done a piss poor job of it.

#4 is a good point.