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Old 11-08-2009, 01:20 PM  
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Mike Brown is the worst free-agent pickup since Carlton Gray...
My God. These guys cut Bernard Pollard to make room for Brown.
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Old 11-08-2009, 02:16 PM   #61
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You couldn't field a roster if you cut all the players who yell at coaches. Most coaches are lucky they don't get their asses whipped at least twice in their careers.
Thanks, Cable for your valuable insight. Pollard was insubordinate. Period.
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Old 11-08-2009, 02:16 PM   #62
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Thing is, I don't think that this would be a good team if Haley were a nice guy coach. I don't think it would be a good team with entirely different guys starting. It wouldn't be a good team with Pollard still on the roster.

Carl and Herm buried this ship so far in the silt that this year was just going to be a marathon of suck no matter what.

Haley is not good enough to make a terrible team watchable. Maybe when more talent arrives, he can take some talent and do something with it, but he can't turn water into wine.
Like Lance Long, Richardson, Mike Brown, Mike Goff, Ndukewe? That type of top tier talent the team brings in?
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Old 11-08-2009, 02:18 PM   #63
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Like Lance Long, Richardson, Mike Brown, Mike Goff, Ndukewe? That type of top tier talent the team brings in?
Were they supposed to change over all 53+ players in the offseason?
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Old 11-08-2009, 02:20 PM   #64
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Lets not even mention the supposed franchise QB sucks butt.
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Old 11-08-2009, 02:20 PM   #65
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Brown is terrible, but stop acting like Pollard is some savior.

Pollard was burned for his fair share of plays as well.
your a freaking idiot if you would rather have brown than pollard
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Old 11-08-2009, 02:21 PM   #66
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Were they supposed to change over all 53+ players in the offseason?
No but you'd like to see improvement in the positions where they made changes. This team is no better than last year's team despite a lot of personnel changes.
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Old 11-08-2009, 02:25 PM   #67
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No but you'd like to see improvement in the positions where they made changes. This team is no better than last year's team despite a lot of personnel changes.
This team will win more games than last year's team, 3 or 4 games, which isn't saying a lot but at least the franchise will have some direction. Carl Peterson, Herm Edwards, Gunther Cunningham, Tyler Thigpen, Larry Johnson, and a bunch of geriatrics and losers at every position was not direction.

Certainly Pioli/Haley is off to a rocky start, but at least they are trying to get better. They aren't trying to pass that team off from last year as a legitimate NFL team. They made a lot of changes, some worked and some didn't.

At a minimum I want to see the personnel changes they make after this year. I want to see the roster at midseason next year and see where we are.

You can't jump ship on a rebuild in the middle of the first season.
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Old 11-08-2009, 02:25 PM   #68
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No but you'd like to see improvement in the positions where they made changes. This team is no better than last year's team despite a lot of personnel changes.
This right here.
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This team will win more games than last year's team.
Doubtful.
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This team will win more games than last year's team, 3 or 4 games, which isn't saying a lot but at least the franchise will have some direction. Carl Peterson, Herm Edwards, Gunther Cunningham, Tyler Thigpen, Larry Johnson, and a bunch of geriatrics and losers at every position was not direction.

Certainly Pioli/Haley is off to a rocky start, but at least they are trying to get better. They aren't trying to pass that team off from last year as a legitimate NFL team. They made a lot of changes, some worked and some didn't.

At a minimum I want to see the personnel changes they make after this year. I want to see the roster at midseason next year and see where we are.

You can't jump ship on a rebuild in the middle of the first season.
Agreed. It's painful to watch and go through, but getting rid of 20 years of Carl's ineptitude can't be done overnight.
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This team will win more games than last year's team, 3 or 4 games, which isn't saying a lot but at least the franchise will have some direction. Carl Peterson, Herm Edwards, Gunther Cunningham, Tyler Thigpen, Larry Johnson, and a bunch of geriatrics and losers at every position was not direction.

Certainly Pioli/Haley is off to a rocky start, but at least they are trying to get better. They aren't trying to pass that team off from last year as a legitimate NFL team. They made a lot of changes, some worked and some didn't.

At a minimum I want to see the personnel changes they make after this year. I want to see the roster at midseason next year and see where we are.

You can't jump ship on a rebuild in the middle of the first season.
But in a rebuild, you'd like to see one position, at the very least, upgraded.

I don't see it.
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Doubtful.
I could be wrong, sure.

Do you think this year's team, with the current coaching staff, would lose to last year's team with Herm at the helm? I don't think so.
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But in a rebuild, you'd like to see one position, at the very least, upgraded.

I don't see it.
We've been through this and agreed. The KICKER is upgraded.
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But in a rebuild, you'd like to see one position, at the very least, upgraded.

I don't see it.
Quarterback was upgraded, and we have two defensive ends who are at this point, fine. We're no worse off at linebacker, possibly better. We're fine at punter, and kicker was upgraded.

I want to argue that at safety we are not stagnant, we don't have upgrades in place but we have unseated the entrenched, crappy, starters, so we're working to upgrade those positions even though they have not yet been solidified. In a way it's not an upgrade but a positive to break through the status quo there. That's all contingent on someone replacing Brown, someone else and Morgan would be the right move there.

It's not a lot, but you can't expect all the middle round picks to be difference makers 8 games into their first year either.
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Quarterback was upgraded, and we have two defensive ends who are at this point, fine. We're no worse off at linebacker, possibly better. We're fine at punter, and kicker was upgraded.

It's not a lot, but you can't expect all the middle round picks to be difference makers 8 games into their first year either.
I'm sorry, but what I see is a taller version of Thigpen.

So if taller is an upgrade, I agree.
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