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Old 12-20-2009, 11:17 PM  
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Whitlock: Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back?
Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back?
By JASON WHITLOCK
The Kansas City Star

I’m not arguing that Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Loyalty? Fairness?

You throw them overboard with the waiting list for season-ticket holders. Anyone arguing the Chiefs have made progress this season hasn’t heard about what happened inside Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday when the Cleveland Browns visited.

On a day when Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn threw for 66 yards and two interceptions, the Browns rumbled for 351 yards on the ground and surpassed the 40-point barrier in a 41-34 victory over Haley’s Chiefs.

Keep in mind, the Browns are in the process of wooing Mike Holmgren to take over their organization and can embattled head coach Eric “Dead Man Coaching” Mangini. The Browns are bad. The Chiefs are worse.

It took a total team effort to give Cleveland a road victory.

“When you allow two returns for touchdowns, that’s generally not going to end up being a good thing,” Haley said, scolding the special-teams unit that allowed Josh Cribbs to find the end zone twice on kickoff returns.

“When you drop nine balls, and we had 39 to 40 by the NFL’s count going into this game — 50-plus by my count — it’s going to be very difficult,” Haley said, scolding his receivers for their inability to catch.

“When you allow a team to run the football the way they were able to run the football, you’re not going to have much of a chance to win,” Haley said, scolding a defensive unit that has surrendered 800-plus rushing yards in its last three games at Arrowhead Stadium.

That’s all three units, folks. Special teams. Offense. And defense.

It’s Christmas, and all three phases of Haley’s team are in disarray.

We’ve spent so much time focusing on the shortcomings within Kansas City’s roster, we’ve failed to mention that it’s likely Haley will overhaul his entire coaching staff, too.

You think Clancy Pendergast is coming back as defensive coordinator after some kid named Jerome Harrison gained 286 yards and finished 10 yards shy of the NFL’s all-time rushing record? We know Haley is a hothead. He booted his most qualified assistant (Chan Gailey) before the season. He’s already demoted a receivers coach. He benches receivers when his mood dictates.

Come on, you know Haley’s instincts will tell him to fire everyone except his wingman, Maurice Carthon. Haley can argue that he got this head-coaching position so late last offseason that he was unable to lure top-flight assistants.

Will top assistants want to come work for Haley this offseason? Let’s don’t even deal with the damage Haley has done to his reputation with his wild-man coaching routine and his handling of Gailey. Why would a top assistant come to KC when Haley is going to enter next season on the hot seat?

You know who would come? A coach with ties to Scott Pioli; a coach who thinks he could be the interim head coach if Haley gets fired six weeks into the season. Charlie Weis. Romeo Crennel.

Yes, more of the Patriots Way. A continuation of the flawed philosophy that you can export a winning culture from one city to another. Winning produces its own unique culture wherever it lands.

Let me get back on topic. I’m not saying Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Mike Shanahan appears to be headed to Washington. Mike Holmgren apparently is going to take over Cleveland’s front office. Bill Cowher might rejoin the coaching ranks. The Chiefs are going to stand pat with Haley?

What has he shown us that gives us confidence he’ll hire a competent coaching staff? And if the Chiefs are going to be starting over with a new assistant-coaching staff, why not just start all the way over with a new head coach?

I did not say fire Todd Haley. I’m searching for reasons to bring him back. Right now, loyalty and fairness come to mind.

Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver.

Haley’s defenders can argue quite persuasively that he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Haley’s critics could argue that Haley has made a bad situation worse.

I’m not arguing anything. And I’m cool with Haley coming back ... as long as he realizes he has to make a boatload of fundamental changes to his coaching approach.
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Old 12-21-2009, 07:30 PM   #151
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Why bring him back? I really don't know. One could argue, though, that Herm had another chance after losing 12 games his 2nd season. I'm currently on the fence...
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Old 12-21-2009, 07:37 PM   #152
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Old 12-21-2009, 07:43 PM   #153
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so you think if you get beat for a long TD pass you should just play prevent the rest of the game? Cribbs had returned 6 kicks for TDs in his career so the odds of 2 in a row were small so yeah I would have kicked to him.
Ladies and gentlemen, Todd Haley posts here and this is proof.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Todd Haley posts here and this is proof.
LOL! Do people not comprehend field position?
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LOL! Do people not comprehend field position?
Sure I do, and kicking away from a returner normally doesn't yield good field position. Granted, we got burned this time but 90% of the time, kicking out of bounds or squibbing is bad.
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Would you care to discuss Todd Haley's other 500 bad decisions or decisions that have 0 consistency?

Having a bad team is no excuse for being a flaming dipshit on the sideline.
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Sure I do, and kicking away from a returner normally doesn't yield good field position. Granted, we got burned this time but 90% of the time, kicking out of bounds or squibbing is bad.
Pooch kicking it to the 30 doesn't = 14 points
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Pooch kicking it to the 30 doesn't = 14 points
Normally kicking it to the returner doesn't = 14 pts either. It was shitty luck but that doesn't make it a dumb decision.
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LOL! Do people not comprehend field position?
some here obviously dont, there was a thread about trading for cribbs. i dont think some of the cp brain trust would have
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You kick to the best returner in the league he returns one so you respond by...kicking to him again.
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Would you care to discuss Todd Haley's other 500 bad decisions or decisions that have 0 consistency?

Having a bad team is no excuse for being a flaming dipshit on the sideline.
Oh, so now not only are you Mel Kiper Jr, you're Vince Lombardi as well?
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Oh, so now not only are you Mel Kiper Jr, you're Vince Lombardi as well?
That's such a lovely argument to go to, unicorns and rainbows man since it's the Chiefs it'll work out right?

If the only argument you have for Todd Haley being a dipshit is that I'm not a coach then you can **** right off.
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You kick to the best returner in the league he returns one so you respond by...kicking to him again.
what the odds? is haley the only coach to do that? did they kick to him after the second td? did he get a third?
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You kick to the best returner in the league he returns one so you respond by...kicking to him again.
sure you do. he played the averages and lost. of course hindsight is 20/20
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That's such a lovely argument to go to, unicorns and rainbows man since it's the Chiefs it'll work out right?

If the only argument you have for Todd Haley being a dipshit is that I'm not a coach then you can **** right off.
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