CMU QB Dan LeFevour says he has had in-depth talks w/ Chiefs

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The Chiefs need to show similar foresight after Cassel, once again, proves he's not the answer.

I really don't want to put words in Milkmans mouth, but this method is what we have used to pretty much no avail over through the CP years. We built a team of great players, but were not able to put the QB in place with that great team to get the job done. In most cases, the true franchise QB's are taken at the top of round 1. No guarantees they will pan out... just like any other position... but that is where you get one.

Let's just say we draft defense heavy... and everything clicks... and we get out team up to our famous 8-8 to 9-7 position. We are now out of the top 5 position we have been in for the last 3 drafts. And up to this point, it appears that all 3 QB's selected (Ryan, Stafford, and Sanchez) are going to be legit QB's. We had an opportunity (yes it would have required a trade up to get two of them, but these things happen to the teams that value the QB spot) to get all three of them, but passed.

Like MM stated, if there is a QB that is valued by our staff to be a legit franchise QB, then we need to select him this year, regardless of Cassel.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Coogs

I really don't want to put words in Milkmans mouth, but this method is what we have used to pretty much no avail over through the CP years. We built a team of great players, but were not able to put the QB in place with that great team to get the job done. In most cases, the true franchise QB's are taken at the top of round 1. No guarantees they will pan out... just like any other position... but that is where you get one.

Let's just say we draft defense heavy... and everything clicks... and we get out team up to our famous 8-8 to 9-7 position. We are now out of the top 5 position we have been in for the last 3 drafts. And up to this point, it appears that all 3 QB's selected (Ryan, Stafford, and Sanchez) are going to be legit QB's. We had an opportunity (yes it would have required a trade up, but these things happen to the teams that value the QB spot) to get all three of them but passed.

Like MM stated, if there is a QB that is valued by our staff to be a legit franchise QB, then we need to select him this year, regardless of Cassel.

I am expecting 8-8 in '10. Anything else is a complete failure.

So let's say this comes to fruition, even with this middling draft position, we should have an opportunity to move up and snag a Gabbert next season. I think concerns about coming from the spread will mean he goes somewhere in the 5-10 range.

We need to make this happen. Good teams create opportunities for themselves.

That said, if our current staff believes Clausen can be "the" guy, we SHOULD take him if he falls.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Coogs

I really don't want to put words in Milkmans mouth, but this method is what we have used to pretty much no avail over through the CP years. We built a team of great players, but were not able to put the QB in place with that great team to get the job done. In most cases, the true franchise QB's are taken at the top of round 1. No guarantees they will pan out... just like any other position... but that is where you get one.

Let's just say we draft defense heavy... and everything clicks... and we get out team up to our famous 8-8 to 9-7 position. We are now out of the top 5 position we have been in for the last 3 drafts. And up to this point, it appears that all 3 QB's selected (Ryan, Stafford, and Sanchez) are going to be legit QB's. We had an opportunity (yes it would have required a trade up to get two of them, but these things happen to the teams that value the QB spot) to get all three of them, but passed.

How many of those 3 QBs do you think will see a Super Bowl during their careers? My guess is that the over/under should be set at 1 and I'd bet the under.

Originally Posted by Coogs

Like MM stated, if there is a QB that is valued by our staff to be a legit franchise QB, then we need to select him this year, regardless of Cassel.

As long as you pro-1st-round-QB guys hedge your arguments by leaving it up to the Chiefs staff beliefs, I don't see how you can be critical of them when they end up passing on a QB. It's a no-brainer to say that they should pick a QB if they believe he's a legit franchise guy. I'm sure that both Pioli and Peterson would completely agree with that so it's not really relevant to the argument.

The argument comes when you guys take the position that the Chiefs staff is too risk averse or when they don't recognize obvious talent the way you perhaps think that you do. For those in your camp that don't see a legit QB in this draft, the argument really disappears.

I know that you've advocated Clausen in the past so you're welcome to argue that the Chiefs are screwing up if they don't take him, but if they don't, time will be the only judge of who was right. So where do you stand on the #5 pick. Is there a legit QB or not? I'm with milkman in the "not" category so that leads me to embrace Chris Meck's approach of taking a project in a later round for this year.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by patteeu

As long as you pro-1st-round-QB guys hedge your arguments by leaving it up to the Chiefs staff beliefs, I don't see how you can be critical of them when they end up passing on a QB.

Pretty easy to do when Pioli has made far more poor decisions than good ones since arriving in town.

He's not getting the benefit of the doubt. And I don't believe in "honeymoon periods" or "evaluation years." That's a complete load of bullshit that too many are willing to swallow.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Pretty easy to do when Pioli has made far more poor decisions than good ones since arriving in town.

He's not getting the benefit of the doubt. And I don't believe in "honeymoon periods" or "evaluation years." That's a complete load of bullshit that too many are willing to swallow.

If that's the way you feel, you shouldn't be deferring to the Chiefs' staff in the way that a couple of other pro-1st-round-QB guys have in this thread. All I'm saying is that ANY staff that thinks there's a legit franchise QB available when they pick in the draft should and IMO would take him so I think we can all agree that the Chiefs should do it if that's what their evaluations lead them to believe.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by patteeu

How many of those 3 QBs do you think will see a Super Bowl during their careers? My guess is that the over/under should be set at 1 and I'd bet the under.



As long as you pro-1st-round-QB guys hedge your arguments by leaving it up to the Chiefs staff beliefs, I don't see how you can be critical of them when they end up passing on a QB. It's a no-brainer to say that they should pick a QB if they believe he's a legit franchise guy. I'm sure that both Pioli and Peterson would completely agree with that so it's not really relevant to the argument.

The argument comes when you guys take the position that the Chiefs staff is too risk averse or when they don't recognize obvious talent the way you perhaps think that you do. For those in your camp that don't see a legit QB in this draft, the argument really disappears.

I know that you've advocated Clausen in the past so you're welcome to argue that the Chiefs are screwing up if they don't take him, but if they don't, time will be the only judge of who was right. So where do you stand on the #5 pick. Is there a legit QB or not? I'm with milkman in the "not" category so that leads me to embrace Chris Meck's approach of taking a project in a later round for this year.

Clausen is still my top option. But I also think we lost out on him by beating the Broncos. Won't be long and we will know on that. In fact, I'm thinking Suh, McCoy, Berry, and Clausen will go in some sort of order in the first 4 picks.

And, I am not comfortable with the Okung/Davis LT selection being tossed around. I'd rather someone like Buffalo or SF might swing a deal where we could drop down and get some more players in the top 50 rather than go one of those two that high. And I know I will be in the minority here, but then I would take a flier on Tebow in the 3rd if he is still there. Dude may have some technique issues, but he is definately a winner.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Clausen is still my top option. But I also think we lost out on him by beating the Broncos. Won't be long and we will know on that. In fact, I'm thinking Suh, McCoy, Berry, and Clausen will go in some sort of order in the first 4 picks.

And, I am not comfortable with the Okung/Davis LT selection being tossed around. I'd rather someone like Buffalo or SF might swing a deal where we could drop down and get some more players in the top 50 rather than go one of those two that high. And I know I will be in the minority here, but then I would take a flier on Tebow in the 3rd if he is still there. Dude may have some technique issues, but he is definately a winner.

I wouldn't be upset with a Tebow pick on the second day. Surely they can make something out of him even if he doesn't pan out at QB.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by patteeu

I wouldn't be upset with a Tebow pick on the second day. Surely they can make something out of him even if he doesn't pan out at QB.

No way in hell I want to waste a pick on a guy without a position.

He's a luxury pick, at best, and we have far too many holes to take a flyer on a luxury.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by patteeu

I wouldn't be upset with a Tebow pick on the second day. Surely they can make something out of him even if he doesn't pan out at QB.

Call Jacksonville; you might be able to work something out.





























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