Clausen and Tate?

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by milkman

A WR can only be a playmaker if he has a QB that can get the ball to him.

I'm not entirely sold on Clausen, but I hope after the Cassel experiment fails this year we go after a QB in the draft next year.

I won't bitch if they did decide to take Clausen this year, though.

well, i was discussing a hypothetical...


I want Clausen, but don't actually believe they'd draft a QB. They're pussies.

thankfully this draft has a true stud waiting to console me....Berry

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

well, i was discussing a hypothetical...


I want Clausen, but don't actually believe they'd draft a QB. They're pussies.

thankfully this draft has a true stud waiting to console me....Berry

And when they pass on Berry?

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And when they pass on Berry?

i already expect them to....they're pussies


i quit caring by 78% after last year.....only way to stay sane

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

i already expect them to....they're pussies


i quit caring by 78% after last year.....only way to stay sane

I agree. I hate to think it, and say it, but these guys are going to pass on Berry, and he will be available. They will take Bulaga and go the safe route. I will just be so pissed off at the direction of this team if they do this. I would probably officially be off the Pioli wagon. Just like with Cassel, I said I would give Pioli 2 years to prove his worth and show me that he knows what hes doing. But I wont be confident at all if they pass on Berry.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And when they pass on Berry?

J-E-T-S until Pioli's gone?

I remember reading Posnanski's column about how difficult it is for him to root for the Royals. He said the most horrifying realization came when he finally figured out that the Royals simply do not have the same philosophy as him regarding...well anything really.

If we draft a damn tackle, I'll have reached that point with this franchise. I will simply never be happy with anything they do. I'll do what I can, but right now everytime I see us do something it annoys the piss out of me and everytime I see the Jets make a move I applaud it and wish we'd have done the same.

The Jets weren't given any advantages over KC; there's no reason we couldn't be where they are.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The Jets weren't given any advantages over KC; there's no reason we couldn't be where they are.

Sure they were. We gave them a 4th round draft pick for Herm. They've been Herm-free for three years longer than we have. That's a decided advantage.

If we draft a damn tackle, I'll have reached that point with this franchise. I will simply never be happy with anything they do. I'll do what I can, but right now everytime I see us do something it annoys the piss out of me and everytime I see the Jets make a move I applaud it and wish we'd have done the same.

And yet, there were the Jets, right after Herm left, taking a tackle AND a center in the first round of the 2006 draft. Now, you'll reach the breaking point if the Chiefs draft a tackle, but then say that you wish we'd do the same as the Jets, who just three seasons ago spent not one, but two first rounders on offensive linemen - linemen who are now counted as some of the best in the business and provide excellent protection and push for the Jets running and passing game.

But you'd hate it if the Chiefs did the same, but want them to do the same.

I'm confused...

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Sure they were. We gave them a 4th round draft pick for Herm. They've been Herm-free for three years longer than we have. That's a decided advantage.



And yet, there were the Jets, right after Herm left, taking a tackle AND a center in the first round of the 2006 draft. Now, you'll reach the breaking point if the Chiefs draft a tackle, but then say that you wish we'd do the same as the Jets, who just three seasons ago spent not one, but two first rounders on offensive linemen - linemen who are now counted as some of the best in the business and provide excellent protection and push for the Jets running and passing game.

But you'd hate it if the Chiefs did the same, but want them to do the same.

I'm confused...

I'm confused too. Because the corn i shit out last night ended up inside your skull.

Did the Jets draft a LT to replace the other first round LT they had already drafted two years prior? NO.

No. They didn't already have a first round pick at LT. So what they did is actually nothing like what you are advocating. They have zero in common.

And in fact what New York did after drafting their first round LT is then, 3 years later, trade up to #5 to pick a QBOTF.

We now have our second chance to do EXACTLY WHAT THE JETS DID: Draft a QB at #5 after having acquired a LT in a previous draft. And you're crying like a bitch about us wanting to do that.

You don't have the first god damn clue about what teams have done, or should do.


And how's that dumb secondary pick they made doing? What's his name....Revis?

Yeah, they totally blew an opportunity to draft OL there, for a silly playmaker in the secondary. What were they thinking, Sack of Testes?

Holy shit they passed on Joe Staley and Ben Grubbs for a ****ing CB.

[Chiefs=Champions]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

I'm confused too. Because the corn i shit out last night ended up inside your skull.

Did the Jets draft a LT to replace the other first round LT they had already drafted two years prior? NO.

No. They didn't already have a first round pick at LT. So what they did is actually nothing like what you are advocating. They have zero in common.

And in fact what New York did after drafting their first round LT is then, 3 years later, trade up to #5 to pick a QBOTF.

We now have our second chance to do EXACTLY WHAT THE JETS DID: Draft a QB at #5 after having acquired a LT in a previous draft. And you're crying like a bitch about us wanting to do that.

You don't have the first god damn clue about what teams have done, or should do.


And how's that dumb secondary pick they made doing? What's his name....Revis?

Yeah, they totally blew an opportunity to draft OL there, for a silly playmaker in the secondary. What were they thinking, Sack of Testes?

Holy shit they passed on Joe Staley and Ben Grubbs for a ****ing CB.

This post is full of win. Well done.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

I'm confused too.

Obviously. And hate filled. What's the matter booby? Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

Did the Jets draft a LT to replace the other first round LT they had already drafted two years prior? NO.

So, you are happy to back the Carl Peterson/Al Grohl buddy pick of taking a guy who never played left tackle, but rather left guard and projecting that to the next level and think you are getting a future All-Pro? Okie dokie smokey! Or is it just that the guy was taken in the first round, so we never have to spend another first round pick on an offensive lineman as long as he's on the roster? Is that how you look at the roster from an evaluation perspective? That's awesome if you do. Then we don't need a defensive lineman or a linebacker by that logic, correct?

No. They didn't already have a first round pick at LT. So what they did is actually nothing like what you are advocating. They have zero in common.

By Jove! That's exactly what you are doing! You are evaluating talent on where they were picked in the draft versus what they are doing on the field. Awesome sauce!

And in fact what New York did after drafting their first round LT is then, 3 years later, trade up to #5 to pick a QBOTF.

Don't forget that they also drafted a CENTER in the first round - the same first round as when they drafted the LT. They drafted two offensive lineman in the first round - of the same draft!!!! So, is it okay for us to draft another offensive lineman in the first round because it was okay for the Jets to do that? So, theoretically, it would be okay to draft a right tackle or guard in this draft because they took two OL guys in the first round.

We now have our second chance to do EXACTLY WHAT THE JETS DID: Draft a QB at #5 after having acquired a LT in a previous draft. And you're crying like a bitch about us wanting to do that.

No, no. Crying like a bitch would be what you are doing. You are having a wittle bitty temper tantrum, calling me all sorts of names and cap yelling and such. Take a deep breath, hold it in, slowly let it out...it's going to be okay.

You don't have the first god damn clue about what teams have done, or should do.

Hmmm...I think I do. I think it's you that's having a problem with it.

And how's that dumb secondary pick they made doing? What's his name....Revis?

He's doing quite well. And why do you think that was a dumb pick? The guy is one of the best cornerbacks in the league. It really wasn't a dumb pick at all. It was like the Chiefs getting Brandon Flowers in the second round. That was also a very good pick.

Yeah, they totally blew an opportunity to draft OL there, for a silly playmaker in the secondary. What were they thinking, Sack of Testes?

I really don't think that they wanted an offensive lineman with that pick, considering that they took Ferguson and Mangold in the first round of the previous draft. That would have been silly. Especially since they signed as free agents two other offensive linemen who were also first round picks in Alan Faneca and Damien Woody. Imagine - a team with four offensive linemen who were first round picks. I thought that the general consensus was that you don't need first round picks on the offensive line to be a successful team, but yet, people are also suggesting we emulate the Jets as an organization and they DO have four first round picks on the offensive line. Weird.

Holy shit they passed on Joe Staley and Ben Grubbs for a ****ing CB.

I know it's hard to understand, but at that point, the Jets were solid on the offensive line, building through high picks in the draft and on regarded free agents. The core/trenches was built and that allowed them to then use first round selections on other positions. When they selected their potential quarterback of the future in Sanchez (even though they did use a second rounder a few scant years earlier on Kellen Clemons), he was afforded the ability to work behind an established, talented offensive line, which helped him acclimate to the demands and speed of the NFL substantially better than if he were to be placed behind a less talented offensive line. Imagine if Sanchez, as a rookie, had to start behind an offensive line that allowed, say, the second highest number of sacks in the league and was also near the top in penalties and pressures and hits? Wowszer! He'd not have been nearly as effective methinks.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Okung's sac

So, you are happy to back the Carl Peterson/Al Grohl buddy pick of taking a guy who never played left tackle, but rather left guard and projecting that to the next level and think you are getting a future All-Pro? Okie dokie smokey! Or is it just that the guy was taken in the first round, so we never have to spend another first round pick on an offensive lineman as long as he's on the roster? Is that how you look at the roster from an evaluation perspective? That's awesome if you do. Then we don't need a defensive lineman or a linebacker by that logic, correct?

No one is suggesting that you never draft a LT in the first round again.

What they are suggesting is that you give that first round LT three years to develop before you make the decision to replace him.

With your line of reasoning, the Jets would have drafted a LT in the first round to repalce D'Brick after his second season, because he'd given up something like 25 sacks in his first two years, about 15 of them in his second season.

And no, the Albert situation and the Cassel situation are not the same.

Cassel has been in the league and learning the QB position for 5 years.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Obviously. And hate filled. What's the matter booby? Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?



So, you are happy to back the Carl Peterson/Al Grohl buddy pick of taking a guy who never played left tackle, but rather left guard and projecting that to the next level and think you are getting a future All-Pro? Okie dokie smokey! Or is it just that the guy was taken in the first round, so we never have to spend another first round pick on an offensive lineman as long as he's on the roster? Is that how you look at the roster from an evaluation perspective? That's awesome if you do. Then we don't need a defensive lineman or a linebacker by that logic, correct?



By Jove! That's exactly what you are doing! You are evaluating talent on where they were picked in the draft versus what they are doing on the field. Awesome sauce!



Don't forget that they also drafted a CENTER in the first round - the same first round as when they drafted the LT. They drafted two offensive lineman in the first round - of the same draft!!!! So, is it okay for us to draft another offensive lineman in the first round because it was okay for the Jets to do that? So, theoretically, it would be okay to draft a right tackle or guard in this draft because they took two OL guys in the first round.



No, no. Crying like a bitch would be what you are doing. You are having a wittle bitty temper tantrum, calling me all sorts of names and cap yelling and such. Take a deep breath, hold it in, slowly let it out...it's going to be okay.

in other words, I'm right.....and they drafted mangold #29....what that has to do with anything in regards to our #5 pick is beyond me


the jets drafted a lt, because they didn't have one, then drafted a QB at #5

the chiefs drafted a lt, and now instead of drafting a QB at #5, you want them to draft another LT


you're dumber than shit...the Jets are proof that you're full of it...I only pray we do what the Jets did at #5...DRAFT A QB


but thanks for admitting you were wrong, it was big of you

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

I'm confused too. Because the corn i shit out last night ended up inside your skull.

Did the Jets draft a LT to replace the other first round LT they had already drafted two years prior? NO.

No. They didn't already have a first round pick at LT. So what they did is actually nothing like what you are advocating. They have zero in common.

And in fact what New York did after drafting their first round LT is then, 3 years later, trade up to #5 to pick a QBOTF.

We now have our second chance to do EXACTLY WHAT THE JETS DID: Draft a QB at #5 after having acquired a LT in a previous draft. And you're crying like a bitch about us wanting to do that.

You don't have the first god damn clue about what teams have done, or should do.


And how's that dumb secondary pick they made doing? What's his name....Revis?

Yeah, they totally blew an opportunity to draft OL there, for a silly playmaker in the secondary. What were they thinking, Sack of Testes?

Holy shit they passed on Joe Staley and Ben Grubbs for a ****ing CB.

Mother**** yes!

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

J-E-T-S until Pioli's gone?

I remember reading Posnanski's column about how difficult it is for him to root for the Royals. He said the most horrifying realization came when he finally figured out that the Royals simply do not have the same philosophy as him regarding...well anything really.

If we draft a damn tackle, I'll have reached that point with this franchise. I will simply never be happy with anything they do. I'll do what I can, but right now everytime I see us do something it annoys the piss out of me and everytime I see the Jets make a move I applaud it and wish we'd have done the same.

The Jets weren't given any advantages over KC; there's no reason we couldn't be where they are.

I remember getting laughed at this time last year when I said that Detroit would win a playoff game before we do.

They play in a much tougher division, and after I saw what they did in the draft last year, and what they did immediately in FA this year, I still think they will.

If they had taken Oher instead of Pettigrew at 20 last year?

No brainer.

As it stands right now, 12 months after a regime change for both teams, the Lions are a MUCH better team than the Chiefs.