Chiefs listing McCluster as a WR

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

The Arenas pick was the one that really pissed me off. There were way too many better options than Mighty Mouse II.

5'9 200 isn't 5'7 160

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

The McCluster pick did it for me. By the time they picked Arenas I was already in "whatever" mode.

I like the picks more in retrospect, now that I've done some research on them.

Still not who I'd have picked, but I've never had a vote in the warroom.

The more I look at McCluster the more I like him. But I'm going to be concerned with our defense until it proves me wrong.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

5'9 200 isn't 5'7 160

I exaggerated that. But he's a little guy.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

I exaggerated that. But he's a little guy.

Then I assume you're unhappy with Carr and Flowers? Because, he's the same size as those guys.

If you're upset they didn't draft a "big" CB, the kind that Gunther preferred, I'd get that.

But if you're upset they drafted the most dynamic returner in the country that also doubles as a damn good CB, I'd offer that your anger is misguided.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Then I assume you're unhappy with Carr and Flowers? Because, he's the same size as those guys.

If you're upset they didn't draft a "big" CB, the kind that Gunther preferred, I'd get that.

But if you're upset they drafted the most dynamic returner in the country that also doubles as a damn good CB, I'd offer that your anger is misguided.

We'll agree to disagree on this, but I'm pretty sure that I'm going to be proven right about Arenas. I think he's obviously a great returner but I think he's a middling CB prospect at the pro level.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Then I assume you're unhappy with Carr and Flowers? Because, he's the same size as those guys.

If you're upset they didn't draft a "big" CB, the kind that Gunther preferred, I'd get that.

But if you're upset they drafted the most dynamic returner in the country that also doubles as a damn good CB, I'd offer that your anger is misguided.

Carr is 6' tall, and Flowers is the same size but his rating coming out of college was higher than Arenas.

I would've just rather gone in a different direction. Charles can return kicks. McCluster can return kicks. We have genuine needs that we could've filled rather than drafting another nickel back and our 3rd kick returner.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Carr is 6' tall, and Flowers is the same size but his rating coming out of college was higher than Arenas.

I would've just rather gone in a different direction. Charles can return kicks. McCluster can return kicks. We have genuine needs that we could've filled rather than drafting another nickel back and our 3rd kick returner.

We should just back down, praise every move Pioli makes, no matter how foolish, and just accept the fact that we are going to draft a nickle CB, a KR and a TE every year.

I'm dumbfounded as to how people can defend using high picks on positions we used draft picks on just last year.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Carr is 6' tall, and Flowers is the same size but his rating coming out of college was higher than Arenas.

I would've just rather gone in a different direction. Charles can return kicks. McCluster can return kicks. We have genuine needs that we could've filled rather than drafting another nickel back and our 3rd kick returner.

Flowers is 5'9

Brandon Flowers | #24 | CB
Kansas City Chiefs | Official Team Site

Height: 5-9 Weight: 187 Age: 24
Born: 2/18/1986 Delray Beach , FL
College: Virginia Tech
Experience: 3rd season
High School: Atlantic HS [Delray Beach, FL]; Hargrave Mil. Acad. [Chatham, VA]


Flowers may have been rated higher but he wasn't a returner.


All I'm saying is that it's difficult for me to find fault in Pioli choosing playmakers this year.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

All I'm saying is that it's difficult for me to find fault in Pioli choosing playmakers this year.

I'll give you that the draft wasn't nearly as bad as last year. I just think we dropped the ball on some guys that are going to be good, and would've immediately started for us in more than just nickel situations.

And McCluster could easily return the ball. Same with Charles. Sean Lee would've been a GREAT choice at 50 IMO.

I am glad he's going after playmakers. Genuinely. I just really wish he would've gotten one guy, just one guy at one of the core positions that desperately need help. I'll never forget what Jerome Harrison did to us.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

I'll give you that the draft wasn't nearly as bad as last year. I just think we dropped the ball on some guys that are going to be good, and would've immediately started for us in more than just nickel situations.

And McCluster could easily return the ball. Same with Charles. Sean Lee would've been a GREAT choice at 50 IMO.

I am glad he's going after playmakers. Genuinely. I just really wish he would've gotten one guy, just one guy at one of the core positions that desperately need help. I'll never forget what Jerome Harrison did to us.

Imagine how better received this day 2 would be if Arenas were replaced with a guy like [insert list of like 15 better picks here], a better pick from both BPA and need standpoints and if the trade up for a TE never happened, leaving tomorrow with an opportunity to nab a TE still (from a deeeep TE class) and address LB.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

I'll give you that the draft wasn't nearly as bad as last year. I just think we dropped the ball on some guys that are going to be good, and would've immediately started for us in more than just nickel situations.

And McCluster could easily return the ball. Same with Charles. Sean Lee would've been a GREAT choice at 50 IMO.

I am glad he's going after playmakers. Genuinely. I just really wish he would've gotten one guy, just one guy at one of the core positions that desperately need help. I'll never forget what Jerome Harrison did to us.

Sean Lee would have been a great "choice" IMO, as well.

But with all honesty, I don't know if he'll impact a game like Arenas.

And I say that in total honesty. I just don't know.

But what I DO know is that the Chiefs need instinctive defensive backs and guys that can return the football.

Time will tell which was the "right" choice but I can't complain today.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

The more I look at them the more I like them. But I'm going to be concerned with our defense until it proves me wrong.

I've been more concerned with the offense all along.

Defensively, there's a lot of talent on the line, although they're young and were, I believe, poorly coached. I think the makings are there for a tremendous secondary. What I have the most question about right now is linebacker. I'm curious to see how that plays out. But that's never, to me, been a position that absolutely, positively has to be filled out in the draft, much less the first three rounds of the draft. But I really don't think the defense is more than a piece or two away.

On offense - and I've said this a few times in the last 4 months - I thought the unit last year was the worst offense I've seen, personnel-wise. Branden Albert was, at the time, the only talent on the line. Our starters at WR and TE for much of last year were players we picked off of waivers during the season. I'm actually embarrassed by that, to a degree - that's a bag over my head kind of thing. Charles was great at RB for half a season, basically the only sign of hope that I saw, but there are I think valid concerns about his health and ability to shoulder the load.

They've basically rebuilt the interior line now, with vets and last evening's pick and I think there may be real competition for the starting guard and center positions now. I still wonder about RT... I believe Jones was a wise acquisition at RB. If McCluster is, in fact, able to successfully execute a Welker-esque role in Weis' offense, he'll be a huge part of the offense going forward. I think Chambers is a quality number 2, the question now is whether Dwayne Bowe is ready and able to take a step forward and become a real, consistent threat. This is a huge season for him. TEs? **** if I know. I think that position's going to be a work in progress, although the general (national) consensus on Moeaki is that he could be a stud if he can find a way to stay on the field.

The real problem I see now is Cassel. I didn't want them to trade for him last year, and I don't see much reason to hope he'll suddenly turn into an all-pro, even after what I see as a very real influx in talent. But, at the same time, I'm not sure that our failure to draft Clausen (or McCoy) really was a statement about Cassel. It may well have been a statement about them, and the kind of future and potential the front office foresaw.

Anyway, this post has turned into something I didn't expect, sort of a laundry list of the moves they've made. I think maybe, now that I look at everything together, they've done more to transition from 2009 to 2010 than I'd realized. I think maybe I tend to forget about just how many young, key players there really are, and not just on the defensive line. There may even be some candidates already on the roster for the OLB position opposite Hali.

I said earlier (was that in this thread or another) that maybe it's hard for us to look at all this objectively, because we're so close to it....