Looney ... The Morning After: Philadelphia

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

The lineman failed to engage the opposing lineman, thus allowing the defender to get his hands in the air. No further explanation is needed.

Yes, absolutely no need to explain why a QB who throws nowhere but the flat with any accuracy turned a ****ING flea flicker into a checkdown pass after wandering back up into the pocket, for no more reason than it seemed the easiest place to which to mosey.

Why don't we go full reerun and have those RB receiving passes in the flat run right back to the middle of the field to be tackled by a DLman?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Yes, absolutely no need to explain why a QB who throws nowhere but the flat with any accuracy turned a ****ING flea flicker into a checkdown pass after wandering back up into the pocket, for no more reason than it seemed the easiest place to which to mosey.

Why don't we go full reerun and have those RB receiving passes in the flat run right back to the middle of the field to be tackled by a DLman?

maybe some here should watch the replay, the long reciever was COVERED from what i saw on the flea flicker.
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[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

maybe some here should watch the replay, the long reciever was COVERED from what i saw on the flea flicker.
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Doesn't matter. The deep receivers could all have dropped dead of heart attacks and people here would still be complaining about Cassel. It's not about figuring out what happened. It's about bitching about Cassel.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Doesn't matter. The deep receivers could all have dropped dead of heart attacks and people here would still be complaining about Cassel. It's not about figuring out what happened. It's about bitching about Cassel.

bowe was the right read there, he had a lb iirc running with his back to the qb and had a step on the defender covering him. he was open when the ball left matts hand.
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[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

bowe was the right read there, he had a lb iirc running with his back to the qb and had a step on the defender covering him. he was open when the ball left matts hand.
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Oh, I wasn't questioning your analysis. I was just noting that it doesn't matter to a large group of posters on this board.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

maybe some here should watch the replay, the long reciever was COVERED from what i saw on the flea flicker.
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Bull ****ing shit, the entire purpose of the flea flicker is to; 1) give the QB some room to launch on a variation on a 7 step drop, and 2) launch downfield to WRs on burners, on the hope that either the WRs superior speed or a hitch from the DB reading run creates separation.


List for me the number of times in the HISTORY of the NFL where a flea flicker EVER resulted in the QB back up in the pocket, finding the checkdown and throwing into the line. Feel free to go back as far as you want.

I've been watching for 20 years, and seen my share of NFL Films, and had never seen it before Cassel.

Of course 30 yard hail Mary's to the less than inviting arms of the uprights had been a scarce tactic until recent, too.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Bull ****ing shit, the entire purpose of the flea flicker is to; 1) give the QB some room to launch on a variation on a 7 step drop, and 2) launch downfield to WRs on burners, on the hope that either the WRs superior speed or a hitch from the DB reading run creates separation.


List for me the number of times in the HISTORY of the NFL where a flea flicker EVER resulted in the QB back up in the pocket, finding the checkdown and throwing into the line. Feel free to go back as far as you want.

I've been watching for 20 years, and seen my share of NFL Films, and had never seen it before Cassel.

If the CB doesn't bite on the fake, you don't throw the deep ball. That's smart on the part of the QB, and it happens. Brady's been in that situation numerous times in recent years. Your "throwing into the line" argument is the fault of the offensive lineman, who left the D-lineman disengaged.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

If the CB doesn't bite on the fake, you don't throw the deep ball. That's smart on the part of the QB, and it happens. Brady's been in that situation numerous times in recent years. Your "throwing into the line" argument is the fault of the offensive lineman, who left the D-lineman disengaged.

So I understand your assertion as clearly as possible, you are saying that Brady has not only run numerous flea flickers in recent years, but checked down on numerous flea flickers in recent years.

Since my best guess estimate is that teams average 1-2 flea flicker attempts a year, is it your position that NE runs an inordinate number of them in 'recent years' or that the general sense of 'numerous' and 'recent' are liberalized for the purposes of this discussion.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

So I understand your assertion as clearly as possible, you are saying that Brady has not only run numerous flea flickers in recent years, but checked down on numerous flea flickers in recent years.

Since my best guess estimate is that teams average 1-2 flea flicker attempts a year, is it your position that NE runs an inordinate number of them in 'recent years' or that the general sense of 'numerous' and 'recent' are liberalized for the purposes of this discussion.

you know what who gives a ****? the wr was covered, which if you would have watched the chiefs replay you would know. probably wouldnt make a difference though.

you are wrong. cassel made some bad plays but that wasnt one of them unless you blame him for getting the ball batted down. He made the right read.
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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

you know what who gives a ****? the wr was covered, which if you would have watched the chiefs replay you would know. probably wouldnt make a difference though.

you are wrong. cassel made some bad plays but that wasnt one of them unless you blame him for getting the ball batted down. He made the right read.
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Give it up, Sauto; the man ain't The Man.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

you know what who gives a ****? the wr was covered, which if you would have watched the chiefs replay you would know. probably wouldnt make a difference though.

you are wrong. cassel made some bad plays but that wasnt one of them unless you blame him for getting the ball batted down. He made the right read.
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The central concern is this starting to look like, even if Weiss forced the issue and sent every single eligible receiver on a go route, Cassel would try to check down to to an O-lineman.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Bull ****ing shit, the entire purpose of the flea flicker is to; 1) give the QB some room to launch on a variation on a 7 step drop, and 2) launch downfield to WRs on burners, on the hope that either the WRs superior speed or a hitch from the DB reading run creates separation.


List for me the number of times in the HISTORY of the NFL where a flea flicker EVER resulted in the QB back up in the pocket, finding the checkdown and throwing into the line. Feel free to go back as far as you want.

I've been watching for 20 years, and seen my share of NFL Films, and had never seen it before Cassel.

Of course 30 yard hail Mary's to the less than inviting arms of the uprights had been a scarce tactic until recent, too.

wow. no seperation from db to wr should mean no throw. he stepped into a throw to chambers and seeing him covered he held the ball then stutter stepped into a throw to the open bowe who was running a crossing route. the d line knocked the ball down.

is that a fair assessment? opinions?
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[xztop12]

Wasnt one of Pioli's explinations for taking a safety at 5 and a nickle in the 2nd, that the league was turning into more of a spread/pass happy league? yet we're reverting back to a running club.