Haley gambled to win

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I should add that the only thing I disliked about the 4th-down decision was putting the ball in Cassel's hands. In this case, give it to our best player, Charles, and not our weakest.

I was ok with a pass call but all Casshole had to do was throw it over the middle to the wide open fullback and not into triple coverage. The play call was fine, the QB just sucks nuts.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

I was ok with a pass call but all Casshole had to do was throw it over the middle to the wide open fullback and not into triple coverage. The play call was fine, the QB just sucks nuts.

Therefore, Haley should have NEVER put that opportunity into Cassel's inept hands.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

Therefore, Haley should have NEVER put that opportunity into Cassel's inept hands.

Well, with all respect that's due an highly knowledgeable person and exceptional poster with extraordinary skill and acumen, that's an assumption deal, right there, Mr. ChiTown.

For all we know, Weis made that call.

FAX

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by FAX

Well, with all respect that's due an highly knowledgeable person and exceptional poster with extraordinary skill and acumen, that's an assumption deal, right there, Mr. ChiTown.

For all we know, Weis made that call.

FAX

On 4th and 2 from the Goal? That's the HC's call, and as a former OC, he was all over that play (especially during the timeout).

[FAX]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

On 4th and 2 from the Goal? That's the HC's call, and as a former OC, he was all over that play (especially during the timeout).

Going for it was his call, sure.

But, the actual play call itself? Do you not think Weis was consulted?

FAX

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by FAX

Going for it was his call, sure.

But, the actual play call itself? Do you not think Weis was consulted?

FAX

I think the play call came from Weis when they were huddled on the sideline. I think Haley had every opportunity to overrule and to know better than to leave that into Cassel's hands - especially when we were ABUSING them on the end run. Either way, the HC takes the fall on that one. Haley has had enough time with Matt to know that his decision-making (especially under pressure) is for shit. Put the ball into the running back's hands and let him take you to pay dirt.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

I think the play call came from Weis when they were huddled on the sideline. I think Haley had every opportunity to overrule and to know better than to leave that into Cassel's hands - especially when we were ABUSING them on the end run. Either way, the HC takes the fall on that one. Haley has had enough time with Matt to know that his decision-making (especially under pressure) is for shit. Put the ball into the running back's hands and let him take you to pay dirt.

I don't disagree with this. Haley could have overruled, certainly. And both he and Giant Spikey Head Man well know that Mike Cassdrip is a moron and, likely, getting paid under the table by our foes to screw up our team.

But, like you, I agree that a running play would probably have worked. I was expecting it and we had been running strong to the left on that drive. Hell, Charles might have scored on that previous play where he was stripped of the ball .. that was the same drive, wasn't it?

Anyhow, the HC has to take the heat for the decision ... I agree. I'm just not sure he's going to overrule Giant Spikey Head Man on a deal like that.

FAX

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

Therefore, Haley should have NEVER put that opportunity into Cassel's inept hands.

At some point to win games your QB HAS to make SOME plays. You can't hide him away the entire game either. The pass to Bowe is an example. He made that play, then Bowe dropped it. Cassel needs to make that play on the goalline. a handoff that close to the goalline with a stacked box doesn't give you a lot of chances either. Go back and look at the 3rd and short situations and what happened. We got stuffed.

Cassel has to make enough plays to at least keep the defense honest. Otherwise soon the ground game doesn't work either, and now you HAVE to throw the ball around and you take chances you don't want to. So yeah Cassel HAS to make some plays even if it has a chance to fail more than succeed.

[Hydrae]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

I was ok with a pass call but all Casshole had to do was throw it over the middle to the wide open fullback and not into triple coverage. The play call was fine, the QB just sucks nuts.

Yep, it was 4th and 2. There was no need to go to the end zone on that throw. Castille was wide open for at least a 1st down if not the touchdown. That is entirely on Cassell's lack of vision.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Hydrae

Yep, it was 4th and 2. There was no need to go to the end zone on that throw. Castille was wide open for at least a 1st down if not the touchdown. That is entirely on Cassell's lack of vision.

Don't forget his lack of throwing talent, and poor pocket awareness.

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

I was ok with a pass call but all Casshole had to do was throw it over the middle to the wide open fullback and not into triple coverage. The play call was fine, the QB just sucks nuts.

If Bob Dole remembers correctly, Moeaki came open behind the target, as well.

Mark Castle seems to have a gift for finding the receiver that's triple-covered.