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Old 10-28-2010, 08:57 AM  
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NFL.com breaks down Moeaki's great blocking
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-networ...ok-Top-rookies
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:04 PM   #121
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I take it you just completely missed Super Bowl XLIII.
Are you going to point out all those 3-4 DEs that were taken top 5?
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:05 PM   #122
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LOL, it was Arizona's awesome D that got them there!!!111one
Non sequitor.

It is clear from that game alone that Dockett's talents could have warranted a Top 5 pick.
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:06 PM   #123
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Non sequitor.

It is clear from that game alone that Dockett's talents could have warranted a Top 5 pick.
The non-sequitur is you bringing up non top 5 draft picks to illustrate that Tyson Jackson was worth a top 5 pick. Stupid.

Dockett wouldn't be a top 5 pick unless it was a very shitty draft year.
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:08 PM   #124
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Are you going to point out all those 3-4 DEs that were taken top 5?
That's because it's incredibly difficult to scout for. There are almost no defenses in college football that offer that position in a way that NFL teams use.

You'd either be selecting a DE with elite size or a DT with elite agility, and hope you can coach the guy up.

It's too much of a risk that teams prefer to take later in the draft. But that doesn't mean players can't be worth a Top 5 selection for that position. It's just a gamble if you do.
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:08 PM   #125
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:09 PM   #126
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Dockett wouldn't be a top 5 pick unless it was a very shitty draft year.
Alright, that's you on the record.

With the benefit of hindsight, I think virtually every GM in the league would disagree with you, but there you have it.
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:09 PM   #127
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That's because it's incredibly difficult to scout for. There are almost no defenses in college football that offer that position in a way that NFL teams use.

You'd either be selecting a DE with elite size or a DT with elite agility, and hope you can coach the guy up.

It's too much of a risk that teams prefer to take later in the draft. But that doesn't mean players can't be worth a Top 5 selection for that position. It's just a gamble if you do.
No, that isn't why. It's because teams don't value that position that highly. 3-4 DE isn't a premium position.
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:09 PM   #128
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Alright, that's you on the record.

With the benefit of hindsight, I think virtually every GM in the league would disagree with you, but there you have it.
Well, let's just say you've kind of shown your opinion on the draft to be pretty worthless.
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:11 PM   #129
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Well, let's just say you've kind of shown your opinion on the draft to be pretty worthless.
Shrug.

I win some, I lose some. I could sit here and list off a hundred players I liked against most odds and went on to do well. I could sit here and list off a hundred that I liked against most odds and went on to suck.

I'm not running from my record. I don't really care.

That's an ad hominem anyways when it comes to the value of a great 3-4 DE.
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:11 PM   #130
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Best fit a need for Detroit, as Smith was coming off major knee surgery, and was the BPA at the time.

That's what I would have preferred at the time for us - the best available player at a position of need/value.

But this place will argue that KR's and NCB were a greater need than OLB, ILB and NT.

Guess we'll find out over the long term.

Like I've said a million times, I hope I'm wrong.
apparently OLB, ILB and NT weren't needs after all...
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:12 PM   #132
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No, that isn't why. It's because teams don't value that position that highly. 3-4 DE isn't a premium position.
You have yet to argue anything, you just restate this sentence over and over, mixed in with enough logical fallacies to make Pete blush.
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:15 PM   #133
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You have yet to argue anything, you just restate this sentence over and over, mixed in with enough logical fallacies to make Pete blush.
I restate over and over again that history demonstrates that what I'm saying is true. Your posts consist of would have could have should have.
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:18 PM   #134
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You know what kind of 3-4 end is worth top 5 picks?

Suh
Bruce Smith
Reggie White

Guys that get sacks and have the skill set to also play the 5-technique.

3 down players that dominate the run and pass game.

Boiled down, NOT Tyson Jackson.

Disclaimer: I wasn't as pissed about the pick of Tyson Jackson as most. Due to the weakness of the class overall and the risk involved in all of the top guys.
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apparently OLB, ILB and NT weren't needs after all...
NT and OLB are still needs...but none of the guys available at 36 would have been a better pick than DMC IMO. Or made as big of an impact.

Studebaker is gonna be a damn good player...just watch.
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