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Old 10-28-2010, 08:57 AM  
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NFL.com breaks down Moeaki's great blocking
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-networ...ok-Top-rookies
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:24 PM   #136
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You know what kind of 3-4 end is worth top 5 picks?

Suh
Bruce Smith
Reggie White

Guys that get sacks and have the skill set to also play the 5-technique.

3 down players that dominate the run and pass game.

Boiled down, NOT Tyson Jackson.

Disclaimer: I wasn't as pissed about the pick of Tyson Jackson as most. Due to the weakness of the class overall and the risk involved in all of the top guys.
You get it.
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:26 PM   #137
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I restate over and over again that history demonstrates that what I'm saying is true. Your posts consist of would have could have should have.
Really? Because I thought my posts consist of a comprehensive argument in favor of the 3-4 DE's value from a nuanced point of view, featuring a prime example of my point of view:

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I completely disagree about 3-4 DE not being foundation.

The 3-4 DE has to be one of the most versatile players on the defense, with the exception perhaps only of the OLB, who has to be a passrusher but also display adequate coverage skills.

The 3-4 DE is someone who must be stout enough at the point of attack to be able to hold up blockers like a DT, but be able to get decent, consistent penetration on passing downs. Get a DE that's too one-sided, and you end up either a player you can run straight at because he's too much of a passrusher (Gilberry) or a player you can rotate your pocket towards because he puts no pressure on your QB (Shaun Smith).

Smith and Gilberry are fine players in certain situations. But Dorsey is the only player on this team that can serve as a true 3-4 DE. So we have to play mix-and-match the rest of the time because TJ isn't getting there fast enough.

Take our defense, but replace the other DE position with Campbell or Dockett from Arizona and we're a true Top 10 defense.
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There's not a poster on this board that would disagree that in the 4-3 we've had for years, a DE would be worth a Top 5, and a DT would be worth a Top 5.

But now we move to a scheme where we actually REDUCE the number of hands-in-the-dirt lineman we have lining up, and all of a sudden none of the positions are worth a Top 5 anymore.
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Do you think Arizona's Dockett would warrant a Top 5 pick if we knew then what we know now?
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It is clear from that game alone that Dockett's talents could have warranted a Top 5 pick.
Meanwhile, your argument has been... well.

The same sentence over and over again with zero backup:

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The 2009 draft was a gigantic FAIL, and 3-4 DE isn't foundation.
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It's important, but it damn sure isn't top 5 draft pick important. That draft was a giant piece of shit.
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You're kind of dumb if you can't look at the draft and see that 3-4 DEs aren't top 5 picks.
The one piece of backup (over and over again) you've provided...

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Before Tyson Jackson, who was the last top 5 3-4 DE? Nothing to back it up, LOL.
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Are you going to point out all those 3-4 DEs that were taken top 5?
...I've responded to:

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it's incredibly difficult to scout for. There are almost no defenses in college football that offer that position in a way that NFL teams use.

You'd either be selecting a DE with elite size or a DT with elite agility, and hope you can coach the guy up.

It's too much of a risk that teams prefer to take later in the draft. But that doesn't mean players can't be worth a Top 5 selection for that position. It's just a gamble if you do.
To which your responses were fallacious:

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LOL, it was Arizona's awesome D that got them there!!!111one
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Well, let's just say you've kind of shown your opinion on the draft to be pretty worthless.
And, again, repetitive.

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No, that isn't why. It's because teams don't value that position that highly. 3-4 DE isn't a premium position.
Right or wrong, your claims that my opinion is worthless don't carry a lot of weight when one considers your performance in this thread.
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:27 PM   #138
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You know what kind of 3-4 end is worth top 5 picks?

Suh
Bruce Smith
Reggie White

Guys that get sacks and have the skill set to also play the 5-technique.

3 down players that dominate the run and pass game.

Boiled down, NOT Tyson Jackson.

Disclaimer: I wasn't as pissed about the pick of Tyson Jackson as most. Due to the weakness of the class overall and the risk involved in all of the top guys.
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You get it.
LOL

You do understand he just made the argument that a 3-4 DE can warrant a Top 5 pick, after you've spent half the thread arguing that this can't be true...
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:31 PM   #139
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These are the best picks and "foundational" players in the top 5 of the NFL Draft.


Chris Samuels
LT
Justin Smith
Julius Peppers
Andre Johnson
Eli
Fitzy
Rivers
Mario Williams
Joe Thomas
Calvin Johnson
Matt Ryan


So you guys have too lofty of expectations...

A small % of top 5 picks turn into franchise players...

so expecting a Bruce Smith or Reggie White is flat out RIDICULOUS.

Basically, you should be preying for Richard Seymour.

If 1 of 3 of our top 5 picks turn into a franchise caliber player that would be about the right percentage for top 5 picks that turn out...

Jury is still out on Tyson...hopefully he'll end up having a Seymour type impact when it's all said and done.
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Justin Smith probably doesn't even deserve to be in that group...I was pretty generous on him and Joe Thomas.
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So basically 1 out the 5 top 5 picks turns out to be a pro bowl caliber player...

so expectations on this board, as usual, are ridiculous for drafted players...even ones drafted very highly.
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Right or wrong, your claims that my opinion is worthless don't carry a lot of weight when one considers your performance in this thread.
That's neither comprehensive nor nuanced. It's you throwing darts at a board to try to a) justify a bad draft pick and b) explain why teams usually don't spend top 5 picks on that position. You're drowning, son.
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:34 PM   #143
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That's neither comprehensive nor nuanced. It's you throwing darts at a board to try to a) justify a bad draft pick and b) explain why teams usually don't spend top 5 picks on that position. You're drowning, son.
You haven't rebutted anything I've argued on the importance of a 3-4 DE.

I'd keep making my case, but I kind of need something to respond to.
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LOL

You do understand he just made the argument that a 3-4 DE can warrant a Top 5 pick, after you've spent half the thread arguing that this can't be true...

LOL

You just compared Tyson Jackson to Reggie White.
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LOL

You just compared Tyson Jackson to Reggie White.
When?
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You haven't rebutted anything I've argued on the importance of a 3-4 DE.

I'd keep making my case, but I kind of need something to respond to.
The importance of a 3-4 DE, obviously, based on history, is not reflected in the draft, you know, by real NFL GMs. I realize that Chiefs bloggers like you and Nick have your own perspective, but don't get butthurt when somebody points out that your out of phase with reality.
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When?
In the post I quoted.
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and another reason why getting a good QB isn't as easy as it seems...

Since 2000...the best top 5 picks at QB were Eli Manning, Philip Rivers (one draft) and Matt Ryan (can he win on the road??)

I'd have to think the success rate on top picked QB's this decade was very, very low.

Take a guy #1 and 20% of the time he works out QB wise...or so it seemed last decade. Maybe even lower...

And Tyson Jackson is bad and all...but the Rams...yikes thank the lord they scored with Bradford (or so it seems)...

They were similar to us and they drafted Chris Long and Jason Smith.
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and it's so hard to land a good QB in the draft...most of the time (as pointed out) it's failure...

yet the one guy who looks to be a total stud (Sam Bradford) was hated by our drafturbating geniouses!!!!!!!!!

so...

yeah
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who you taking???

Chris Long/Jason Smith or Glenn Dorsey/Tyson Jackson?

lol

I'd say Bradford (value wise) >>>>>> Berry, though.
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