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Old 10-28-2010, 08:57 AM  
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NFL.com breaks down Moeaki's great blocking
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Old 10-28-2010, 08:17 PM   #211
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I agree to a point except Brady has the same number of down field throws as Cassel and he is playing on a team with a much worse running game so he is throwing the ball more often. You can bet now Moss is gone the number of balls down field will not go up.

It's a 3 step quick throw offense.The offense is designed for what it is, and it fits what Cassel does.

And yes it was somewhat predicted before the season but that's no surprise, that's how this works.

The clutch plays are what needs to be improved on IMO, not the worrying about down field throws.

The clutch play is what separates the Brady's from the Cassel's.
You keep bringing up that Brady stat like it matters.

Brady has proven he can throw the ball downfield accurately. Teams have to account for it.

Cassel, not so much.

And regarding the offense, I'm shocked that Cleveland has been the only team that really loaded up the box and tried to make Cassel beat them.

Interesting that they are the only team to hold us under 4 yards a carry in a game, (3.6) and that we didn't score an offensive TD.
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Old 10-28-2010, 08:19 PM   #212
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I looked up the splits and Brady to this point has thrown the exact same number of completions past 11 yards as Cassel.

It's the offense.
Don't tell CP that, Weis is clearly masking Cassel's weaknesses. He and Haley would MUCH rather throw downfield but that stupid Pioli is making them work with Cassel.

I am sure that in New Englad, Pioli made Bill Belichick work with Brady and they were forced to mask his weak arm as well.

Now, what with his Super Bowls, they are trapped and can't wait til he retires so that they can get someone with a strong arm so that they don't have to keep doing all this underneath stuff.
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Old 10-28-2010, 08:19 PM   #213
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He hasn't shown shit in NY.
Yeah winning two playoff games on the road isn't shit.
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Old 10-28-2010, 08:20 PM   #214
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I looked up the splits and Brady to this point has thrown the exact same number of completions past 11 yards as Cassel.

It's the offense.
Why are you acting as if this is some great revelation?

Like I said, some of us have said this since the day Weis was hired.

How exactly does it mean Cassel has improved?

Sound to me like you and SCF are admitting that anyone could do what Cassel is doing in this system.

(which is true, IMO)
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Old 10-28-2010, 08:21 PM   #215
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You keep bringing up that Brady stat like it matters.

Brady has proven he can throw the ball downfield accurately. Teams have to account for it.

Cassel, not so much.

And regarding the offense, I'm shocked that Cleveland has been the only team that really loaded up the box and tried to make Cassel beat them.

Interesting that they are the only team to hold us under 4 yards a carry in a game, (3.6) and that we didn't score an offensive TD.
When the argument is how we are running our passing offense and it can't work, it's a valid point.

Also I don't agree on Cleveland being the only team to stack the box.

Watching the game Sunday from the upper deck you could see a lot of 1 safety at the line 1 in the middle playing close with single coverage on the outside that needs to be taken advantage of. I don't think we tried once.
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Old 10-28-2010, 08:22 PM   #216
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Why are you acting as if this is some great revelation?

Like I said, some of us have said this since the day Weis was hired.

How exactly does it mean Cassel has improved?

Sound to me like you and SCF are admitting that anyone could do what Cassel is doing in this system.

(which is true, IMO)
I am saying nobody is bashing NE for running the same type of offense.
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Old 10-28-2010, 08:28 PM   #217
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I am saying nobody is bashing NE for running the same type of offense.
Why would they?

They aren't running it because the QB is limited.

He's proven he can throw the ball downfield accurately when necessary - as well as make the clutch throw when necessary.
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Old 10-28-2010, 08:32 PM   #218
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Yeah winning two playoff games on the road isn't shit.
He had 1 good game in the playoffs. WOW. 1 special game his entire rookie year. Sorry, that's not shit.

Hell, if the Colts and the Bengals hadn't laid down and pulled their QBs from the games, we wouldn't even be talking about Sanchez in the playoffs. If you call Herm making the playoffs in 07 "backing in" then what do you call what the Jets did?
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Old 10-28-2010, 08:33 PM   #219
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He had 1 good game in the playoffs. WOW. 1 special game his entire rookie year. Sorry, that's not shit.

Hell, if the Colts and the Bengals hadn't laid down and pulled their QBs from the games, we wouldn't even be talking about Sanchez in the playoffs. If you call Herm making the playoffs in 07 "backing in" then what do you call what the Jets did?
If Sanchez did that for the Chiefs, you would LOVE him.
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If Sanchez did that for the Chiefs, you would LOVE him.
Did what? Back into the playoffs? I didn't love Huard, so why would that make me love Sanchez?
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If Sanchez did that for the Chiefs, you would LOVE him.
You're wasting your time.
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I looked up the splits and Brady to this point has thrown the exact same number of completions past 11 yards as Cassel.

It's the offense.
I can't believe we're actually going down this path.
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OMG Sanchez didn't WIN two playoff games he was there for the ****ing ride. Give me a ****ing break.
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I looked up the splits and Brady to this point has thrown the exact same number of completions past 11 yards as Cassel.

It's the offense.
WRONG AGAIN

Cassel has actually completed 1 more pass over 11 yards than Brady.

haha got ya.

Passes 11 yards and over:
Cassel 22/53
Brady 21/50

While we are at it...

QB rating:
Cassel 91.5
Tom Brady 96

YPA
Cassel 6.82
Brady 6.88

comp %
Cassel 59.5 (has been much better over the last few games 63% over the last 4 games)
Brady 66.2

w/l
Cassel 4-2
Brady 5-1

td/int
Cassel 9-3
Brady 11-4

sacks
Cassel 5
Brady 12


Those are some pretty promising coincidences IMO...much closer than I thought they would be.
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Did what? Back into the playoffs? I didn't love Huard, so why would that make me love Sanchez?
Not back into the playoffs, we all know and acknowledge that is the case... the way his play improved as the stage got bigger is what Im talking about.
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Old 10-28-2010, 09:06 PM   #225
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OMG Sanchez didn't WIN two playoff games he was there for the ****ing ride. Give me a ****ing break.
That's not fair. I am not his biggest fan... and he clearly benefits from the talent around him. However, bad QB play cannot be masked as easily as CP thinks. QB's have to be able to make throws. Even when the team is run first, they have to convert key third downs and at least keep the defense honest.

Sanchez didn't 'carry' the team to the playoffs, but he didn't wet the bed in the playoffs either.

So, he wasn't just along for the ride.
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