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Old 10-28-2010, 09:41 PM  
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Cassel 24th out of 29 quarterbacks in downfield passing.
We debated Cassel's downfield passing in another thread earlier this week. I said I would wait for the splits to get updated before I compared him to the rest of the league, and here are the results (completion percentage, TD/INT):

Cassel is 24th out of 29 quarterbacks in the NFL in completion percentage on pass attempts over 10 yards.

I threw out the names in red because they have fewer than 40 attempts.

Henne - 58.6 1/1
Rivers - 54.5 7/5
Schaub - 54.4 4/4
Fitzpatrick - 54.3 7/3
Romo - 51.7 4/2
E. Manning - 50.6 8/4
Young - 50.0 6/1
Kolb - 50.0 2/2
Flacco - 49.4 10/4
Ryan - 49.3 7/2
P. Manning - 48.4 8/1
Rodgers 48.3 10/8
Orton - 47.5 7/3
Favre - 46.9 5/6
Palmer - 46.5 4/3
Garrard - 46.4 4/5
Hasselbeck - 45.2 3/3
Anderson - 45.1 1/2
Bradford - 45 5/5
Sanchez - 44.8 6/2
Cutler - 43.2 3/4
McNabb - 42.8 5/
Brady - 42.0 4/4
Cassel - 41.5 4/2
Brees - 41.4 4/5
Smith - 40.2 4/3
Wallace - 38.2 3/0 (34 att)
Moore - 38.2 3/5 (34 att)
Gradkowski 38.1 2/4
Freeman - 34.2 3/2
Clausen - 30.4 1/1 (23 att)
Hill - 29.5 4/2
Campbell - 25.8 1/2 (22 att)


For comparison, Cassel's downfield passing history:

2009 - 38.8 percent, 8 TD, 13 INT
2008 - 40.2 percent, 12 TD, 8 INT

Notes:

1. Jason Campbell and Bruce Gradkowski suck. We have no business losing to the Raiders.

2. Brees will bump Cassel to 25th in short order.

3. Sanchez, bitches!!!

4. Flacco is a ****ing stud.

5. Impressed by Chad Henne and fearful of Fitzpatrick.
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Old 10-29-2010, 11:00 AM   #91
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I don't agree with that statement. However, I do believe that stats sometimes can be presented/manipulated to make things appear the way one wants things to appear. Or they only tell a part of the story. Right now, Cassel is playing well. But like you said, I question his ability to make plays when we need him to do that.
I overstate to make a point.

The fact is, what I really believe is that stats without context (watching) can be used to misrepresent things.
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Old 10-29-2010, 11:00 AM   #92
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I overstate to make a point.

The fact is, what I really believe is that stats without context (watching) can be used to misrepresent things.
QB rating is a great example of this.
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QB rating is a great example of this.
That is the one stat that I do believe is absolutely uselss.

Until Shannahan came along, John Elway's QB rating was pretty mediocre, and no one but a dumbass with an obsessive bias (I'm looking at you Rain man) would suggest that Elway was a mediocre QB.
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Holy crap are the majority of the people in this thread defending Cassel or am I reading it wrong? This place is like the twilight zone today.
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HOWEVER, the reason the ball was thrown "short" (other than Cassel's limited arm-strength) is because he couldn't step up.
Do not pass go, do not collect $15 million.

Cassel stepped into this throw.

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Do not pass go, do not collect $15 million.

Cassel stepped into this throw.
You cut that gif off too short.

It appears, though, that he isn't able to completely follow through with his back foot on that throw, which will still affect his throw.
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Well, whatever. It's not like he's throwing off his back foot.

God forbid we have a quarterback who can't make an accurate throw without having perfect mechanics. Did Schaub have time to step into his game-winning TD pass two weeks ago?
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Well, whatever. It's not like he's throwing off his back foot.

God forbid we have a quarterback who can't make an accurate throw without having perfect mechanics. Did Schaub have time to step into his game-winning TD pass two weeks ago?
We're talking about a guy with questionable arm strength, so mechanics are a premium.
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That 5000 yards is as dud. He should have had 6000.
Yeah... blame the backs for that for not getting the yards after catch on those checkdown routes. Brees has become effective in the short to intermediate game. His accuracy has improved tremendously. He still sucks at throwing the long ball... (what this thread is about). That combined with the ridiculous money he wanted is the reason he is New Orleans. The Fish even picked Culpepper ahead of him. Last season's playoffs was the first time in Brees' career where he hasn't came up flat in the big games.

Mark my words. This is one of his off years again.
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Yeah... blame the backs for that for not getting the yards after catch on those checkdown routes. Brees has become effective in the short to intermediate game. His accuracy has improved tremendously. He still sucks at throwing the long ball... (what this thread is about). That combined with the ridiculous money he wanted is the reason he is New Orleans. The Fish even picked Culpepper ahead of him. Last season's playoffs was the first time in Brees' career where he hasn't came up flat in the big games.

Mark my words. This is one of his off years again.



have you actually WATCHED a saints game in the last couple of years?
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Yeah... blame the backs for that for not getting the yards after catch on those checkdown routes. Brees has become effective in the short to intermediate game. His accuracy has improved tremendously. He still sucks at throwing the long ball... (what this thread is about). That combined with the ridiculous money he wanted is the reason he is New Orleans. The Fish even picked Culpepper ahead of him. Last season's playoffs was the first time in Brees' career where he hasn't came up flat in the big games.

Mark my words. This is one of his off years again.
Good grief.
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Yeah... blame the backs for that for not getting the yards after catch on those checkdown routes. Brees has become effective in the short to intermediate game. His accuracy has improved tremendously. He still sucks at throwing the long ball... (what this thread is about). That combined with the ridiculous money he wanted is the reason he is New Orleans. The Fish even picked Culpepper ahead of him. Last season's playoffs was the first time in Brees' career where he hasn't came up flat in the big games.

Mark my words. This is one of his off years again.




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That's not really impressive when you consider how often he throws downfield, which isn't much.
Well, if you can't consider the TD/INT percentage impressive because of the lack of throws, you can't bitch about the completion percentage for the same reason.
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Only on Chiefsplanet does a Cassel bashing thread turn into people taking shots at Brees.
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Well, if you can't consider the TD/INT percentage impressive because of the lack of throws, you can't bitch about the completion percentage for the same reason.


That's incredibly stupid.

Mostly because, well, I'm real sure Cassel's completion percentage is actually gonna go DOWN if he throws more, and throws more down the field.

Duh?
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