Joe Posnanski: big SI Scott Pioli feature

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Originally Posted by stevieray

sans flowers, all those players game has elevated under his staff.

That's all well and good, but it's not going to sustain the franchise over the long haul.

Pioli's first draft was a D. His second draft looks like a C+. We need a B+ or better next year.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

That's all well and good, but it's not going to sustain the franchise over the long haul.

Pioli's first draft was a D. His second draft looks like a C+. We need a B+ or better next year.

Berry should improve
Moeaki is a productive receiving tight end and a hell of a blocker for our run game
Kendrick Lewis was a terrific pick for the value
Jon Asamoah will likely be a productive starter
Javier Arenas is playing very well in his nickel role and he's getting a shitload more snaps than he gets credit for
Dexter McCluster--say what you want, but he's not a bust. His upside is yet to be seen, but he at least has some impact

There's no way you can call this a C+ draft. 4 of the players are having a considerable impact their rookie season (5 if you want to include McCluster). And the 6th will likely be a starter for many years to come.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

There's no way you can call this a C+ draft.

Yes you can.

You can't draft complementary players in the second round.

Maybe it's a B if Asamoah turns into a starter.

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Yes you can.

You can't draft complementary players in the second round.

Maybe it's a B if Asamoah turns into a starter.

How the hell are they complementary players? A nickel corner is damn near a full time starter in the NFL now and so is a slot WR. Everytime Dex stepped out on the field, defenses were forced to go into nickel or dime because of his abilities. That helps the offense immensely. I'd say he's worth a 2nd round pick.
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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing

How the hell are they complementary players?

Don't confuse "complementary" with "not a starter."

When you spend a second round pick on someone it'd be nice if they were a true IMPACT player.

McCluster isn't, and neither is Arenas.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I wouldn't call them great picks, but you certainly can't call them bad ones.

They aren't bad picks.

They just aren't impact players. Pioli damn sure needs to find some.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Don't confuse "complementary" with "not a starter."

When you spend a second round pick on someone it'd be nice if they were a true IMPACT player.

McCluster isn't, and neither is Arenas.



They aren't bad picks.

They just aren't impact players. Pioli damn sure needs to find some.

Ok who do you think we should have picked? Who are the impact players?
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[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Don't confuse "complementary" with "not a starter."

When you spend a second round pick on someone it'd be nice if they were a true IMPACT player.

McCluster isn't, and neither is Arenas.



They aren't bad picks.

They just aren't impact players. Pioli damn sure needs to find some.

I don't understand your obsession with superstars. You're not asking for impact players. You're asking for playmaking superstars. Given the free agent class in 2010 and the fact that beyond the first round, it's significantly more difficult to find those, you can't walk into that kind of an offseason and expect to bring in 3 to 4 superstars.

No impact players? I'd say that Wiegmann, Lilja, and Moeaki have improved the run blocking of this team 10-fold. And Asamoah should too. And I'd say that Jones has kept our best playmaker, Charles, fresh and ready to go for the stretch run. I'd say that Arenas, Lewis, and Berry have added severely needed depth. And I'd say that Moeaki and I predict eventually McCluster have added some weapons to our passing game.

We're still missing spots. We knew they would. But as a result of personnel decisions, we are a significantly better running team, we are vastly improved in the secondary, and we have more than one legit receiving option. We piece together a similar draft in 2011 and bring in a few marquee free agents, and this team becomes very dangerous.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Don't confuse "complementary" with "not a starter."

When you spend a second round pick on someone it'd be nice if they were a true IMPACT player.

McCluster isn't, and neither is Arenas.



They aren't bad picks.

They just aren't impact players. Pioli damn sure needs to find some.

three things:

1) Calling McCluster a non impact player is foolish to new levels. Seriously, you may want to stop that unless you are trying to try out some kind of reverse mojo type thing.

Ill be willing to make a pretty significant bet that DMC scores again by years end...name your price and terms and lets roll.

2) The way our nickle corners were totally abused last year and allowed seemingly nobodies to have career games should tell you how much of an impact Arenas has had on this defense so far. I would almost argue that he has had an equal impact to that of Berry, if not equal, its damn close. Dudes coverage has been nothing short of terrific...especially for a rooki9e that also returns.

3) Is Bowe actually spitting through his teeth in that gif in your sig? We used to call it "gleeking" in school. It looks like he lets one fly as he starts to break a smile.

I am hitting the sack so if you want to make a little friendly wager on DMC, hit my PM or just rep a post in this thread (pos or neg, it doesn't matter) so I can refere3nce it when I get home tomorrow.

later

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Yes you can.

You can't draft complementary players in the second round.

Maybe it's a B if Asamoah turns into a starter.

Really? Because about 75% of teams can't draft a starter, let alone a complementary player. Calling Arenas a complementary player at this juncture is ridiculous. He plays well over half of the defensive snaps. McCluster--we have yet to see, but if he serves in the slot, same deal. If they both play as expected, I wouldn't call them great picks, but you certainly can't call them bad ones.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

That's all well and good, but it's not going to sustain the franchise over the long haul.

Pioli's first draft was a D. His second draft looks like a C+. We need a B+ or better next year.

Dude, this 2010 draft will go down as a B+ AT WORST...to call any draft that yields 5 potential starters (figuring a nickle corner as a starter in todays NFL game) and a guy that is a threat to score every time he touches the ball a C+ is a joke.

Thats not even counting the contribution Sheffield could have made...go back and watch him ABUSE some guys that are playing very well in the NFL right now during the senior bowl...its a shame we lost him to injury cause we could surely use him right now.

A C+ draft yields 2-3 contributors and only one being a good starter.

This draft was graded as a A+ by many guys in the business.

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Originally Posted by BossChief

a guy that is a threat to score every time he touches the ball a C+ is a joke.

The idea that McCluster is a threat to score every time he touches the ball is the real joke.

Every Chiefs fan is overrating this guy just because he has some quicks and took back one punt against the worst special teams unit ever.

I bet he doesn't score again this year.

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

The idea that McCluster is a threat to score every time he touches the ball is the real joke.

Every Chiefs fan is overrating this guy just because he has some quicks and took back one punt against the worst special teams unit ever.

I bet he doesn't score again this year.

So he isn't a threat to score when be touches the ball? Is Jamaal a threat to score then?
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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing

So he isn't a threat to score when be touches the ball? Is Jamaal a threat to score then?
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Why are you even making this comparison?

McCluster has proven shit. I think he has one play longer than 20 yards this year.

So far he is a huge gimmick on offense and very disappointing, especially since he hasn't played a game in a month.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Why are you even making this comparison?

McCluster has proven shit. I think he has one play longer than 20 yards this year.

So far he is a huge gimmick on offense and very disappointing, especially since he hasn't played a game in a month.

So you think it's ridiculous that people say DMC is a threat to score everytime he touches the ball, but yet, JC is different? They are both threats to get a TD everytime they touch the ball.

You're right though, DMC hasn't proven a lot, but when he has had the ball in his hands he has been great. If he can build off of that, then he'll have been a great pick for us.
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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing

So you think it's ridiculous that people say DMC is a threat to score everytime he touches the ball, but yet, JC is different?

Yes.

McCluster has about 200 yards in six career games.

Charles has two ****ing 1,000 yard seasons.

It's ridiculous to compare the two.

You're right though, DMC hasn't proven a lot, but when he has had the ball in his hands he has been great.

He has been a gimmick. Percy Harvin is great.

The fantasy of Dexter McCluster far outweighs the reality, which is that he's a pipsqueak who has two incredible plays this year (one on offense) and the rest of the time he's flailing his limbs and dreadlocks and $20 t-shirts every which way he can while picking up five or six yards.