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Old 09-16-2011, 05:20 PM   #1
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There are more good pieces to this team than bad
There are more good pieces than bad on ANY winning team.

Doesn't mean it's a legit threat for a championship.
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Old 09-16-2011, 05:28 PM   #2
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There are more good pieces than bad on ANY winning team.

Doesn't mean it's a legit threat for a championship.
So after 2 years with the turd sandwich left by Herm they are supposed to be a championship team. JFC Clayton.
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Old 09-16-2011, 05:54 PM   #3
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So after 2 years with the turd sandwich left by Herm they are supposed to be a championship team. JFC Clayton.
Herm didn't leave a turd of a team. The pieces put in place during his time were the ones who mostly carried us to the playoffs last year.

I don't mind the way Pioli's built the team so far (to some small level), but he hasn't brought anyone here that you can call a playmaker (except for Berry... and that pick was a complete no-brainer).
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Old 09-16-2011, 06:00 PM   #4
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Herm didn't leave a turd of a team. The pieces put in place during his time were the ones who mostly carried us to the playoffs last year.

I don't mind the way Pioli's built the team so far (to some small level), but he hasn't brought anyone here that you can call a playmaker (except for Berry... and that pick was a complete no-brainer).
Yes, Herm left a turd of a team. That's what 2-14 teams are. Crappy.

If you're going to give draft credit, give it to Carl. He's the one who alienated Allen... he's the one who got a king's ransom when trading allen. He's the one who makes the draft picks.

Why do people think when Herm arrived he was suddenly 100% in control of our draft process?
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Old 09-16-2011, 06:18 PM   #5
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Yes, Herm left a turd of a team. That's what 2-14 teams are. Crappy.

If you're going to give draft credit, give it to Carl. He's the one who alienated Allen... he's the one who got a king's ransom when trading allen. He's the one who makes the draft picks.

Why do people think when Herm arrived he was suddenly 100% in control of our draft process?
This was in response to the comment that the team left behind by Herm Edwards was a turd of a team. The personnel left behind during the Herm era, regardless of who gets credit, was really solid ESPECIALLY given the circumstances of the turd of a team Vermeil/Carl left for Herm.

Herm inherited a MUCH shittier situation than Haley/Pioli. A ton more.
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Old 09-16-2011, 06:23 PM   #6
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This was in response to the comment that the team left behind by Herm Edwards was a turd of a team. The personnel left behind during the Herm era, regardless of who gets credit, was really solid ESPECIALLY given the circumstances of the turd of a team Vermeil/Carl left for Herm.

Herm inherited a MUCH shittier situation than Haley/Pioli. A ton more.
I don't agree entirely with that though, but your opinion is yours. We had a handful of good players, a handful of decent players, and a goddamn circus side show of practice squad caliber scrubs.

I don't believe teams are defined by simply how many good players they have, but how many BAD players they have. Herm inherited a team with far fewer bad players, but fewer young ascending players.
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We had a handful of good players, a handful of decent players, and a goddamn circus side show of practice squad caliber scrubs.
Here's what Pioli inherited:

Jamaal Charles
Dwayne Bowe
Branden Albert
Brian Waters
Barry Richardson

Tamba Hali
Glenn Dorsey
Derrick Johnson
Jovan Belcher
Brandon Carr
Brandon Flowers

That's half of the current starters. HALF.

You can probably add Jon McGraw to that list now, too, since he's going to be a starter.

Players who Herm inherited who were starters in his third year.

Larry Johnson
Tony Gonzalez
Brian Waters
Derrick Johnson

Herm inherited a bunch of shit that had to be replaced.
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Old 09-16-2011, 06:07 PM   #8
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So after 2 years with the turd sandwich left by Herm they are supposed to be a championship team. JFC Clayton.
They are supposed to be building towards it. You know, progress? Instead of getting outscored 102-24 in their last three games?
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