Tim Tebow is a shitty quarterback.

[JD10367]

Okay, as Jack Webb said, "just the facts":

1.) Knowmo clearly huffs paint. Just off the top of my head, "in crunch time" I'd rather have Brady, Rodgers, Brees, P. Manning (if he was healthy), and probably Rapistberger.

2.) Tim Tebow is not "a shitty quarterback". He's not a very good passer (at least at the moment). Time will tell if he gets better at that. But being the quarterback is not just about throwing pretty passes; there are other factors as well. It's also about clock management, decision-making, your ability to scramble, your ability to win, the amount of confidence your teammates have in you... all areas where Tebow seems, for some reason, to have advantages. The buzzword is "intangibles". He seems to have 'em. Frankly, given the choice between a pure passer who can't do anything else right, or a guy like Tebow who seems to do everything else except pass the ball, I'd take the Tebow guy. You can teach someone how to throw the ball; you can't teach someone how to win, how to be cool under pressure, how to rally his teammates, etc.,. Cool is Brady driving the ball in the '01 SB and then spiking it and calmly flipping it to the ref. Cool is Joe Montana in the waning minutes of the Super Bowl, pointing out John Candy. And cool is doing jack shit all day and getting the ball back with 5 minutes to go, on your 5, and getting the winning TD pretty much by yourself. If Matt Cassel ever did that, there'd be jizz covering the midwest.

3.) Having said that, life for a running quarterback usually doesn't turn out so well. Even the supposed best-of-the-best (Dogkiller) can be figured out eventually... or, at least, beaten into submission. Running quarterbacks not only have a game you can counter (if you have the coaching brainpower and personnel), but they get killed physically. If he doesn't learn to throw the ball without taking hits, his career will last only a few seasons. And better teams WILL figure it out. What he pulled against the Jets may not fly against the Steelers or Ravens... or even against the Patriots, or another team that can simply outscore Denver. If the Broncos are down 35-7 by the 4th, Tebow's heroics won't help. It's only good for one score, apparently.

Bottom line: as the sole starting quarterback on a not-great team, Tebow's magic will run out. But if given time to learn how to throw properly, and used as a change-of-pace QB in the meantime until he learns how to throw, there's nothing wrong with him. And, on a better team, they might be able to use him as a starter and overcome his passing shortcomings. I'd love to have him back up Brady, personally.

I'm not really sure why there's such a backlash against Tebow's religion. I mean, there are plenty of athletes who are religious. If, in a postgame, I hear one more player "thank Jesus for blessing me with the physical skills" blah blah blah, I'll shoot someone. Why does Tebow get such flak? Is it, weirdly enough, because he's white? I think so, although I can't figure out why. He seems like a nice enough guy, and--as was pointed out elsewhere--if he was Jewish we wouldn't be making Hanukkah jokes, would we? Why is the fact that he's such a religious Christian rub people the wrong way? People picking on him all the time, plus the fact that people pick on his inability to throw the ball, make me actually root for him more and more with each win, despite my Bronco hatred. I'd be fine if the Broncos lose because Tebow plays great and one of his teammates makes a bonehead turnover. And I'm atheist/agnostic.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by JD10367

Okay, as Jack Webb said, "just the facts":

1.) Knowmo clearly huffs paint. Just off the top of my head, "in crunch time" I'd rather have Brady, Rodgers, Brees, P. Manning (if he was healthy), and probably Rapistberger.

2.) Tim Tebow is not "a shitty quarterback". He's not a very good passer (at least at the moment). Time will tell if he gets better at that. But being the quarterback is not just about throwing pretty passes; there are other factors as well. It's also about clock management, decision-making, your ability to scramble, your ability to win, the amount of confidence your teammates have in you... all areas where Tebow seems, for some reason, to have advantages. The buzzword is "intangibles". He seems to have 'em. Frankly, given the choice between a pure passer who can't do anything else right, or a guy like Tebow who seems to do everything else except pass the ball, I'd take the Tebow guy. You can teach someone how to throw the ball; you can't teach someone how to win, how to be cool under pressure, how to rally his teammates, etc.,. Cool is Brady driving the ball in the '01 SB and then spiking it and calmly flipping it to the ref. Cool is Joe Montana in the waning minutes of the Super Bowl, pointing out John Candy. And cool is doing jack shit all day and getting the ball back with 5 minutes to go, on your 5, and getting the winning TD pretty much by yourself. If Matt Cassel ever did that, there'd be jizz covering the midwest.

3.) Having said that, life for a running quarterback usually doesn't turn out so well. Even the supposed best-of-the-best (Dogkiller) can be figured out eventually... or, at least, beaten into submission. Running quarterbacks not only have a game you can counter (if you have the coaching brainpower and personnel), but they get killed physically. If he doesn't learn to throw the ball without taking hits, his career will last only a few seasons. And better teams WILL figure it out. What he pulled against the Jets may not fly against the Steelers or Ravens... or even against the Patriots, or another team that can simply outscore Denver. If the Broncos are down 35-7 by the 4th, Tebow's heroics won't help. It's only good for one score, apparently.

Bottom line: as the sole starting quarterback on a not-great team, Tebow's magic will run out. But if given time to learn how to throw properly, and used as a change-of-pace QB in the meantime until he learns how to throw, there's nothing wrong with him. And, on a better team, they might be able to use him as a starter and overcome his passing shortcomings. I'd love to have him back up Brady, personally.

I'm not really sure why there's such a backlash against Tebow's religion. I mean, there are plenty of athletes who are religious. If, in a postgame, I hear one more player "thank Jesus for blessing me with the physical skills" blah blah blah, I'll shoot someone. Why does Tebow get such flak? Is it, weirdly enough, because he's white? I think so, although I can't figure out why. He seems like a nice enough guy, and--as was pointed out elsewhere--if he was Jewish we wouldn't be making Hanukkah jokes, would we? Why is the fact that he's such a religious Christian rub people the wrong way? People picking on him all the time, plus the fact that people pick on his inability to throw the ball, make me actually root for him more and more with each win, despite my Bronco hatred. I'd be fine if the Broncos lose because Tebow plays great and one of his teammates makes a bonehead turnover. And I'm atheist/agnostic.

Solid.

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by JD10367

Okay, as Jack Webb said, "just the facts":

1.) Knowmo clearly huffs paint. Just off the top of my head, "in crunch time" I'd rather have Brady, Rodgers, Brees, P. Manning (if he was healthy), and probably Rapistberger.

2.) Tim Tebow is not "a shitty quarterback". He's not a very good passer (at least at the moment). Time will tell if he gets better at that. But being the quarterback is not just about throwing pretty passes; there are other factors as well. It's also about clock management, decision-making, your ability to scramble, your ability to win, the amount of confidence your teammates have in you... all areas where Tebow seems, for some reason, to have advantages. The buzzword is "intangibles". He seems to have 'em. Frankly, given the choice between a pure passer who can't do anything else right, or a guy like Tebow who seems to do everything else except pass the ball, I'd take the Tebow guy. You can teach someone how to throw the ball; you can't teach someone how to win, how to be cool under pressure, how to rally his teammates, etc.,. Cool is Brady driving the ball in the '01 SB and then spiking it and calmly flipping it to the ref. Cool is Joe Montana in the waning minutes of the Super Bowl, pointing out John Candy. And cool is doing jack shit all day and getting the ball back with 5 minutes to go, on your 5, and getting the winning TD pretty much by yourself. If Matt Cassel ever did that, there'd be jizz covering the midwest.

3.) Having said that, life for a running quarterback usually doesn't turn out so well. Even the supposed best-of-the-best (Dogkiller) can be figured out eventually... or, at least, beaten into submission. Running quarterbacks not only have a game you can counter (if you have the coaching brainpower and personnel), but they get killed physically. If he doesn't learn to throw the ball without taking hits, his career will last only a few seasons. And better teams WILL figure it out. What he pulled against the Jets may not fly against the Steelers or Ravens... or even against the Patriots, or another team that can simply outscore Denver. If the Broncos are down 35-7 by the 4th, Tebow's heroics won't help. It's only good for one score, apparently.

Bottom line: as the sole starting quarterback on a not-great team, Tebow's magic will run out. But if given time to learn how to throw properly, and used as a change-of-pace QB in the meantime until he learns how to throw, there's nothing wrong with him. And, on a better team, they might be able to use him as a starter and overcome his passing shortcomings. I'd love to have him back up Brady, personally.

I'm not really sure why there's such a backlash against Tebow's religion. I mean, there are plenty of athletes who are religious. If, in a postgame, I hear one more player "thank Jesus for blessing me with the physical skills" blah blah blah, I'll shoot someone. Why does Tebow get such flak? Is it, weirdly enough, because he's white? I think so, although I can't figure out why. He seems like a nice enough guy, and--as was pointed out elsewhere--if he was Jewish we wouldn't be making Hanukkah jokes, would we? Why is the fact that he's such a religious Christian rub people the wrong way? People picking on him all the time, plus the fact that people pick on his inability to throw the ball, make me actually root for him more and more with each win, despite my Bronco hatred. I'd be fine if the Broncos lose because Tebow plays great and one of his teammates makes a bonehead turnover. And I'm atheist/agnostic.

Good read. But I think Tebow is a lot like Cassel in regard to the fact when it comes to the heat of the game, he reverts back to what he has done in the past.

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by whoman69

Good read. But I think Tebow is a lot like Cassel in regard to the fact when it comes to the heat of the game, he reverts back to what he has done in the past.

Except Tebow is 4-1 as a starter with 3 comeback wins (two of them by large margins).

Cassel has a (slightly) better arm than Tebow. But Tebow is more of a "winner".

Sadly, I think Tebow may be > Cassel. Cassel's mechanics are usually putrid. He throws the ball high, hard, out of bounds. Cassel shows more flashes of "I can be a real quarterback" than Tebow does. But Tebow puts the W on the board.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Originally Posted by JD10367

Except Tebow is 4-1 as a starter with 3 comeback wins (two of them by large margins).

Cassel has a (slightly) better arm than Tebow. But Tebow is more of a "winner".

Sadly, I think Tebow may be > Cassel. Cassel's mechanics are usually putrid. He throws the ball high, hard, out of bounds. Cassel shows more flashes of "I can be a real quarterback" than Tebow does. But Tebow puts the W on the board.

Um, that's like saying "Kyle Davies is better than Sean O'Sullivan."

In reality, they both suck and shouldn't be a starter for anyone.

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Um, that's like saying "Kyle Davies is better than Sean O'Sullivan."

In reality, they both suck and shouldn't be a starter for anyone.

And, yet, Tebow has gone 4-1, with 3 comebacks (2 of them huge). So he must be better.

And, don't forget, while they've beaten the Jets, Chiefs, Raiders, Dolphins, and Bengals (all half-decent, even the Fins despite the record), they only lost to the Raiders and Titans by 3 and the Chargers by 5. A lucky bounce here or there, and Tebow and the Broncos could be 8-2. Just goes to show you how fine the line is in the NFL between "suck" and "great"...

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Originally Posted by JD10367

And, yet, Tebow has gone 4-1, with 3 comebacks (2 of them huge). So he must be better.

And, don't forget, while they've beaten the Jets, Chiefs, Raiders, Dolphins, and Bengals (all half-decent, even the Fins despite the record), they only lost to the Raiders and Titans by 3 and the Chargers by 5. A lucky bounce here or there, and Tebow and the Broncos could be 8-2. Just goes to show you how fine the line is in the NFL between "suck" and "great"...

As has been stated on several occasions.. The Donks are winning despite Mr. Tebow - not because of...

Were the Donks able to field a competent QB they'd run away with the division, hands down. They are the best all around team at this point..

You can honestly watch those 10 or so passes a game that flail 5 yards short of the receiver and say "this guys a winner!!!"??

The difference between Cassell and Tebow as it stands today is that everyone sees Cassell for what he is. Give it 2 years, and Tebow will be spoken about the same way in Denver.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by JD10367

Okay, as Jack Webb said, "just the facts":

1.) Knowmo clearly huffs paint. Just off the top of my head, "in crunch time" I'd rather have Brady, Rodgers, Brees, P. Manning (if he was healthy), and probably Rapistberger.

2.) Tim Tebow is not "a shitty quarterback". He's not a very good passer (at least at the moment). Time will tell if he gets better at that. But being the quarterback is not just about throwing pretty passes; there are other factors as well. It's also about clock management, decision-making, your ability to scramble, your ability to win, the amount of confidence your teammates have in you... all areas where Tebow seems, for some reason, to have advantages. The buzzword is "intangibles". He seems to have 'em. Frankly, given the choice between a pure passer who can't do anything else right, or a guy like Tebow who seems to do everything else except pass the ball, I'd take the Tebow guy. You can teach someone how to throw the ball; you can't teach someone how to win, how to be cool under pressure, how to rally his teammates, etc.,. Cool is Brady driving the ball in the '01 SB and then spiking it and calmly flipping it to the ref. Cool is Joe Montana in the waning minutes of the Super Bowl, pointing out John Candy. And cool is doing jack shit all day and getting the ball back with 5 minutes to go, on your 5, and getting the winning TD pretty much by yourself. If Matt Cassel ever did that, there'd be jizz covering the midwest.

3.) Having said that, life for a running quarterback usually doesn't turn out so well. Even the supposed best-of-the-best (Dogkiller) can be figured out eventually... or, at least, beaten into submission. Running quarterbacks not only have a game you can counter (if you have the coaching brainpower and personnel), but they get killed physically. If he doesn't learn to throw the ball without taking hits, his career will last only a few seasons. And better teams WILL figure it out. What he pulled against the Jets may not fly against the Steelers or Ravens... or even against the Patriots, or another team that can simply outscore Denver. If the Broncos are down 35-7 by the 4th, Tebow's heroics won't help. It's only good for one score, apparently.

Bottom line: as the sole starting quarterback on a not-great team, Tebow's magic will run out. But if given time to learn how to throw properly, and used as a change-of-pace QB in the meantime until he learns how to throw, there's nothing wrong with him. And, on a better team, they might be able to use him as a starter and overcome his passing shortcomings. I'd love to have him back up Brady, personally.

I'm not really sure why there's such a backlash against Tebow's religion. I mean, there are plenty of athletes who are religious. If, in a postgame, I hear one more player "thank Jesus for blessing me with the physical skills" blah blah blah, I'll shoot someone. Why does Tebow get such flak? Is it, weirdly enough, because he's white? I think so, although I can't figure out why. He seems like a nice enough guy, and--as was pointed out elsewhere--if he was Jewish we wouldn't be making Hanukkah jokes, would we? Why is the fact that he's such a religious Christian rub people the wrong way? People picking on him all the time, plus the fact that people pick on his inability to throw the ball, make me actually root for him more and more with each win, despite my Bronco hatred. I'd be fine if the Broncos lose because Tebow plays great and one of his teammates makes a bonehead turnover. And I'm atheist/agnostic.

Rep for an objective, well thought out post.