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Old 12-12-2011, 06:41 PM   #1
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Yes. Tamba Hali is one of the best pass rushers in the game, DJ is one of the best ILB, and Justin Houston is emerging as well. It shouldn't be that hard to find a good Nose Tackle unless Scott Pioli is the GM.
And all those players would play in a 43 as well, no?

Point being, we're just as far away from a good defense in the 43 as we are in the 34 - about 2-3 players.
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Old 12-12-2011, 06:43 PM   #2
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And all those players would play in a 43 as well, no?

Point being, we're just as far away from a good defense in the 43 as we are in the 34 - about 2-3 players.
I don't think Dorsey or Jackson would fit in a 4-3 at all, and I think we'd have two find two new outside linebackers who can cover.

This defense is good enough to win a SB if Berry is OK, we get a NT and Houston keeps trending up.
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Old 12-12-2011, 06:49 PM   #3
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I don't think Dorsey or Jackson would fit in a 4-3 at all, and I think we'd have two find two new outside linebackers who can cover.

This defense is good enough to win a SB if Berry is OK, we get a NT and Houston keeps trending up.
They played in the 4-3 in college and were very, very good at it. Warren Sapp was probably one of the best DT's in recent history and when moved to a 3-4 he sucked ass.
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Old 12-12-2011, 06:51 PM   #4
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They played in the 4-3 in college and were very, very good at it. Warren Sapp was probably one of the best DT's in recent history and when moved to a 3-4 he sucked ass.
Dorsey is a terrible pass rusher. Putting him in the 4-3, where your DTs have to provide a pass rush, would be a mistake.

And it goes without saying that Jackson would be a terrible 4-3 pass rusher. And Houston should be playing DE in a 4-3 anyway.

So, basically you believe in angels.
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Old 12-12-2011, 06:54 PM   #5
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Dorsey is a terrible pass rusher. Putting him in the 4-3, where your DTs have to provide a pass rush, would be a mistake.

And it goes without saying that Jackson would be a terrible 4-3 pass rusher. And Houston should be playing DE in a 4-3 anyway.

So, basically you believe in angels.
Totally disagree. Dorsey and Jackson are ideal 4-3 DT's. Quick off the ball and gap hitters. 3-4 DE's have to be block sponges. They have to be able to take on double-teams without being knocked off the ball. This is why we have no pass rush up the middle. A good 3-4 DE is going to take a single bloker and shove him into the QB's lap.
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Old 12-12-2011, 06:56 PM   #6
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Totally disagree. Dorsey and Jackson are ideal 4-3 DT's. Quick off the ball and gap hitters. 3-4 DE's have to be block sponges. They have to be able to take one double-teams without being knocked off the ball. This is why we have no pass rush up the middle. A good 3-4 DE is going to take a single bloker and shove him into the QB's lap.
We have no pass rush up the middle because our NT can barely win a 1 on 1.
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We have no pass rush up the middle because our NT can barely win a 1 on 1.
Same with our DE's. The DT's job is to suck up the blocks in the middle and stand there. Not necessarily give a huge push. The push has to come from the DE's. You want the DT standing firm taking away the gap and taking up 2 blockers. We do not have a 3-4 D-line whatsoever. The only guy we have that has played in and is built for a 3-4 on the line is a guy who is so old he can't play every down.
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Totally disagree. Dorsey and Jackson are ideal 4-3 DT's. Quick off the ball and gap hitters.
Sorry, neither of them are quick off the ball gap hitters.

For that very reason, the Chiefs don't play them in pass rush packages.

They are abysmal pass rushers.
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And all those players would play in a 43 as well, no?

Point being, we're just as far away from a good defense in the 43 as we are in the 34 - about 2-3 players.
Hali and DJ have been far more productive in the 3-4 it would make no sense going back to the 4-3 at this point if those are the guys we're building around on defense.
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Hali and DJ have been far more productive in the 3-4 it would make no sense going back to the 4-3 at this point if those are the guys we're building around on defense.
Chicken or the egg?

Scheme or coaching?

Remember who the DC's were when they ran a 43.
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