Why I support Todd Haley

[chiefzilla1501]

I know this is going to get me shit. Fire away.

• If it's true that Haley pushed back on Tyson Jackson, that tells you everything you need to know. Scott Pioli did NOT build a team around his head coach. He forced his coach to run the only system he knows. Know why Haley called Jackson a "system player"? Because Tyson Jackson is only a 3-4 DE in a 2-gap, Romeo 3-4. Does any NFL team run this defense anymore? Even the Patriots don't.

• Case study. What defense is Thomas Dimitroff running in Atlanta? You guessed it. A 4-3. That's because good GMs adjust their philosophy to fit the coach.

• Look at the new candidates for head coach. It's going to be from the tree. You know how I know that? 1) because Pioli has shown croneyism this entire time. 2) because he is so stuck on one offensive and defensive philosophy that he needs to hire a coach who follows his marching orders.

• Not only should we question if the 2-gap 3-4 defense is obsolete. We have to question why Pioli would expect Haley to make a complete transition to a new defense requiring totally different personnel and turn that around in 3 years.

• How about the obvious? Pioli is the guy who scouted Cassel for years and believed he was the long-term starter. In 3 years, the only QBs he brought in to compete for the starting job were Tyler Palko (probably Haley's choice, but that doesn't mean Pioli didn't have the power to bring a competitive veteran option in) and a 5th round pick he waited 3 years to bring in. Fail.

• How about the second-most obvious? Pioli forced Haley to run a 3-4 and didn't in 3 years even try to bring in a Nose Tackle.

• People may get on Haley's case for not getting along with Charlie Weis. It sounds like the relationship was doomed from the start and credit Whitlock for being the only guy to figure that out. Pioli has ultimate say, but if Haley flat-out didn't want to work with the guy, then don't bring him in. Pioli has to have at least some consideration for what Haley wants. And now, because of that, haley ends up looking like the asshole.

• The Chiefs are finding a convenient time to fire Haley because people hate the Palko decision. First of all, his choice was Palko or a 5th round rookie. Second of all, it sounds like haley's job was pretty much gone well before Palko started a game. So no... not convinced at all that Haley starts Palko if he knows his job is safe. I wouldn't even be surprised if that was just a big **** you after a while.

• In 3 years, Scott Pioli forces Haley to completely change his defense and doesn't spend a dime to help him out.
  People say the Chiefs' effort was inconsistent. I call bullshit. This team had so many talent gaps that the only way they could win was with effort. Given the Chiefs' talent, especially at the most critical positions, it's amazing they won as many games the past 2 years as they did. You give Haley the Chargers' talent, and he takes them to the top. Not every team is going to play 100% every single game. The difference is that the best teams have enough talent that they can win even when the other team outplays them.

• The Chiefs brought in Kyle Orton. I was okay with that move as a 1-2 year decision. But let's be serious about one thing... that's a pretty telltale sign that Pioli is bringing in McDaniels.

• Haley's job was to coach up players. Many players under his watch who had any kind of upside really improved.

• I don't like the snake-like tactics we're seeing from our front office. It sounds like they were leaking stories about Haley to discredit him. Between the Lil Wayne concert and the party before the Bears game (after a win, mind you).
  We've seen firey Haley before. Even with big efforts in Chicago and Pittsburgh, it looked like he just didn't have any fire. I think he knew he was through and the front office was just waiting for a chance to fire him.

• He's a young coach. He's going to make mistakes. The beginning of the season was a horrible mistake. But that's not one mistake that should get you fired.

Flame away. I want to know... if the GM let Haley run a defense he wanted to run, have some input on his coordinator, actually gave Haley good QBs to work with... how would we have fared? And how comfortable do people feel that the grand vision for this team as long as Pioli is here is this exact New England approach that even New England isn't using anymore?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Orton signals McDaniels? Hmm. Seems that McDaniels liked Cassel even more.

Baseless. He wanted to trade for Cassel because he had worked with him.

And, I mean, you were talking about how much better Orton was.... and how now Haley would be able to show how good he was with a real QB.

You should be an NFL scout if you can figure that out based on one play.

Toddler Haley is gone. Don't worry, you are the classic homer and will be singing the praises of any coach/QB they have next year.

I have been on Pioli and Haley's case all year. I believe every coach/player deserves about 2-3 years to prove themselves (1-2 if you're a veteran). And will fight to the death their chance to ease in. After that, you're fair game. I've never wavered in my support of Haley--I supported the hire from day 1. I have been ultra-critical of Cassel and Pioli, on the other hand, all year long.

Much like Orton got a lot better once he was with the Chiefs.

One play

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Omega

There is 0 chance we hire McDaniels.

We just dumped a screaming, childish idiot because he reflected poorly on the organization.

Now we're going to hire "WE'RE JUST TRYING TO WIN A MOTHER****ING GAME?"

No.

I hope you're right. Hopefully this is just people throwing stuff against the wall. But it concerns me how so many people across the media had the Haley/Pioli relationship pegged, and are now saying this. Somebody is flapping their lips.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Omega

There is 0 chance we hire McDaniels.

We just dumped a screaming, childish idiot because he reflected poorly on the organization.

Now we're going to hire "WE'RE JUST TRYING TO WIN A MOTHER****ING GAME?"

No.

Pioli only wants a puppet.

He's mad at Haley because he didn't shine to Tyson Jackson or Charlie Weis.

McDaniels will gladly be a puppet.

[petegz28]

I guess Houston and Berry and Bailey aren't on the defense?

[gblowfish]

If you're going to support him, dude has a wife and five kids. Better slip him about four grand a month to be on the safe side. He's probably feeding a couple dogs and a cat too.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I guess Houston and Berry and Bailey aren't on the defense?

I don't get it.

[MahiMike]

I loved Haley from the beginning. Man, I wish I was Carl the janitor so I could write a book on this. It must've been some epic action behind the scenes with those 2. I laugh when I think Pioli prolly wanted to start Orton the last 2 games and Haley sat him just to piss Pioli off...lol.

Todd, I'll miss you. But this town just ain't big enough for you AND your boss.

Good luck dude!

[JCharles1981]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

Bill Muir.

Enough reason to shit can Haley.

Remind me again why Pioli didn't bust his ass to keep Charlie Weis as the Chiefs' OC?

[Urc Burry]

Originally Posted by JCharles1981

Remind me again why Pioli didn't bust his ass to keep Charlie Weis as the Chiefs' OC?

Haley was almost fired after the playoff game.