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Old 12-18-2011, 03:42 PM  
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I owe Kyle Orton an apology...
and quite a few people here should be doling them out as well...

Leonard Pope? Big catches. Barry Richardson? Nice job.

Same cast of characters, same playcalling (McCluster up the middle, anyone?)...

Yet Orton has 300 yards passing in a game where we led the entire way.

Yeah, I wanted to see Stanzi play and I still do.

But thank you Kyle Orton for making it ABUNDANTLY clear how much of a waste Matt Cassel is...
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:06 PM   #46
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@SD
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All better games this year, without Charles and saddled with Haley on the sideline.

Orton didn't throw a TD.

But, don't let the facts get in the way of anyones opinion.
The Colts have one win.
Minnesota has 2 wins.
San Diego is under .500.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:06 PM   #47
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@SD
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@Indy.

All better games this year, without Charles and saddled with Haley on the sideline.

Orton didn't throw a TD.

But, don't let the facts get in the way of anyones opinion.
You're insane if you claim Cassel's game against SD was better than Orton today. Insane.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:07 PM   #48
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The screens, reverse to Breston, and sweeps were rarely seen under Haley. More importantly, the plays were in to the QB in time for him to get on the line and make adjustments, the plays that were called were not entirely predictable (throwing on 1st down, going for long ball on 2nd and short*, sweep on middle distance).

*long pass play possible w/ a QB who can throw for 20+ yards.
Oh, those things don't matter. Come on man. It was all Cassel. The fact that they called a better game and got the plays in on time.... no impact on the game.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:07 PM   #49
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Don't know don't care Cassel sucks and should be gone. I am just not ready to heap alot of praise on Orton when they were playing a pretty bad D.
I somewhat agree, but none the less... Packers score and go up 7-6. Penalty on the kickoff pins us at the 10. Before today, that is probably game over, especially against a good team. Orton leads us down the field to reclaim the lead at 9-6. Huge series!
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:08 PM   #50
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Orton didn't throw a TD.
I'll take 299 yards, no TD's and a win over 103 yards, 3 TD's and a loss...

eh, that probably doesn't make my point. The point being that the receivers jobs were made easier and YAC wasn't as much of a REQUIREMENT that it is when the pass leaves Cassel's hands...
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:08 PM   #51
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The Colts have one win.
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Yes. Just pointing out games that Cassel had against similar defenses.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:08 PM   #52
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If Orton plays out the rest of the season like he did today, he deserves the starting job hands down with no concern for "competition". I wasn't an Orton supporter but after not having a real quarterback in this offense since Trent Green, the potential of this team looks completely different with him in there. I believe a win like this could absolutely bond players with coach, with quarterback. If he continues like he did today, we should not draft a QB first round, he shouldn't have to look over his shoulder. The job should be completely his. If a highly ranked qb falls to a lower round, that's different.
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Oh, those things don't matter. Come on man. It was all Cassel. The fact that they called a better game and got the plays in on time.... no impact on the game.
Get this through your head.

Cassel is, has and will always be shit.
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Orton was a HUGE upgrade. I never thought I would say that about him in his career.
There aren't a lot of places where he'd be such an enormous upgrade.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:09 PM   #55
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The screens, reverse to Breston, and sweeps were rarely seen under Haley. More importantly, the plays were in to the QB in time for him to get on the line and make adjustments, the plays that were called were not entirely predictable (throwing on 1st down, going for long ball on 2nd and short*, sweep on middle distance).

*long pass play possible w/ a QB who can throw for 20+ yards.
What?

We've setup that reverse MULTIPLE times this season. That misdirection play has been in this offense since the day Haley arrived.

Do you guys even watch the games?

I guess the delayed draw to McCluster up the middle was new too right?
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All better games this year, without Charles and saddled with Haley on the sideline.

Orton didn't throw a TD.

But, don't let the facts get in the way of anyones opinion.
I was at the Minnesota game and watched every play.

You have no idea what you're talking about. None.
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I somewhat agree, but none the less... Packers score and go up 7-6. Penalty on the kickoff pins us at the 10. Before today, that is probably game over, especially against a good team. Orton leads us down the field to reclaim the lead at 9-6. Huge series!
I agree and I am not trying to take away anything from Orton he played a ****ing great game today. I think it is now obvious the main problems with this team is\was Cassel and Haley
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You're insane if you claim Cassel's game against SD was better than Orton today. Insane.
Triple Dog This!

Once the receivers adjust to having someone competent of running an NFL offense, you'll see more TDs. You have to walk before you run, but today was on hell of a great start! I'll enjoy the win today, and we'll see how things play out next week.

But for now.....
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Oh, those things don't matter. Come on man. It was all Cassel. The fact that they called a better game and got the plays in on time.... no impact on the game.
It's the same offense. They didn't change the offense.

And they've been getting the plays in on time since the FIRST TIME Palko started.

You only see what you want to see, it's pretty clear.
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Only senseless Chiefs fan would point to a game where Cassel led to us 30 yards of offense in one half as a good one (@SD).
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