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Old 12-20-2011, 10:44 AM   #1
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I can't believe how much people make of one good game.

You need a QB that can carry the team into the playoffs. The Falcons had something like 8 playoff appearances in 40 years. They draft Ryan and now they are in every year and have a decent chance of winning some games.

KC NEEDS TO DESPERATELY DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO DRAFT A POTENTIAL FRANCHISE QB AND PLAY THE KID. WORRY ABOUT ORTON, CASSEL, HASSELBACK, MCNABB OR WHOEVER ELSE AFTER YOU DRAFT THE QBOTF.
You have to worry about Orton/Cassel NOW.

Because if they're going with Cassel, there is no QBotF in April. I still firmly believe that Pioli thinks CASSEL is the future.

With Orton, it's a pretty obvious stop-gap move.
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Old 12-20-2011, 10:52 AM   #2
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You have to worry about Orton/Cassel NOW.

Because if they're going with Cassel, there is no QBotF in April. I still firmly believe that Pioli thinks CASSEL is the future.

With Orton, it's a pretty obvious stop-gap move.
I don't know how you could come to the conclusion that management views Orton as a stop gap but Cassel as a long term solution. They are very similar.
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Old 12-20-2011, 11:02 AM   #3
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I don't know how you could come to the conclusion that management views Orton as a stop gap but Cassel as a long term solution. They are very similar.
Orton was acquired off waivers, after the trade deadline.

The other required the trading of a 2nd round pick and a $67M contract.

The 2 QBs are definitely similar but their situations couldn't be more different.
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Old 12-20-2011, 11:07 AM   #4
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Orton was acquired off waivers, after the trade deadline.

The other required the trading of a 2nd round pick and a $67M contract.

The 2 QBs are definitely similar but their situations couldn't be more different.
I think how Cassel was acquired 3 years ago is largely irrelevant. Pioli knows he has 1 more chance to make things better or lose his job and forever be known as the guy who hung on Belichick's coattails. I don't think the original contract is a factor anymore.
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Old 12-20-2011, 11:12 AM   #5
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I think how Cassel was acquired 3 years ago is largely irrelevant. Pioli knows he has 1 more chance to make things better or lose his job and forever be known as the guy who hung on Belichick's coattails. I don't think the original contract is a factor anymore.
That could very well be true.

It also could be true that Pioli is SO consumed by the need to prove himself that he's going to ride Cassel all the way to the bottom, no matter what.
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Old 12-20-2011, 11:21 AM   #6
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Orton was acquired off waivers, after the trade deadline.

The other required the trading of a 2nd round pick and a $67M contract.

The 2 QBs are definitely similar but their situations couldn't be more different.
Business 101: any compensation or money previously spent on Cassel is a sunk cost.
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Business 101: any compensation or money previously spent on Cassel is a sunk cost.
You missed my point. The way in which the two were acquired is important because of how they might FEEL about the two. This isn't about business.

They gave Cassel the biggest contract in team history before he had ever played a snap for the Chiefs.

Pioli has a PERSONAL affinity for Cassel.
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You missed my point. The way in which the two were acquired is important because of how they might FEEL about the two. This isn't about business.

They gave Cassel the biggest contract in team history before he had ever played a snap for the Chiefs.

Pioli has a PERSONAL affinity for Cassel.
I'm hoping he had a personal affinity for Cassel.
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I'm hoping he had a personal affinity for Cassel.
I thought about adding that caveat but figured it was just wishful thinking at this point...
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Pioli has a PERSONAL affinity for Cassel.
Both McDaniels and Pioli felt Cassel was a franchise. Nobody has any idea if they still feel that way.

People keep talking about Pioli being too stubborn to move on from players, but where is the proof? He's parted ways pretty quickly with early draft picks like Magee. He hasn't forced coaches to keep free agent acquisitions that they didn't want - he must have brought in at least 8 WRs in 3 years.
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You have to worry about Orton/Cassel NOW.

Because if they're going with Cassel, there is no QBotF in April. I still firmly believe that Pioli thinks CASSEL is the future.

With Orton, it's a pretty obvious stop-gap move.
To you it's an obvious stopgap move. To fans, and perhaps to Pioli, it's a diamond in the rough.
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