Sac's 2012 End of Season Mock

[BossChief]

If an OT isn't displaying perfect mechanics that features a lot of knee bend at the shrine practices, he is a project of at least a year before he should be allowed to play in a real NFL game against guys like Dumervil or Miller.

1 year.

At best.

If anyone thinks we should spend a second round pick on a guy like that, just turn your head and laugh.

Sac would have taken the black John tait at 5th overall.

Nothing more needs said.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by BossChief

If an OT isn't displaying perfect mechanics that features a lot of knee bend at the shrine practices, he is a project of at least a year before he should be allowed to play in a real NFL game against guys like Dumervil or Miller.

1 year.

At best.

If anyone thinks we should spend a second round pick on a guy like that, just turn your head and laugh.

Sac would have taken the black John tait at 5th overall.

Nothing more needs said.

So how were you with the Albert selection in the first round?

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

So how were you with the Albert selection in the first round?

I liked it. You are the only one who doesn't like Albert.

Fact is, he's a good LT.

Above average in pass protection and a very solid run blocker.

I'm sure you'll dump all over this post.

Pound sand.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

So how were you with the Albert selection in the first round?

getting a quality starting LT at #15?

pretty good pick...no wonder you hate it, you want to draft a center at #11

your sense of value is ****ed beyond repair

[Bewbies]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

So how were you with the Albert selection in the first round?

Fantastic pick. He's worked out way better than Okung at 6 too.

Drafting a C at 11 is reeruned. If we traded down to 20-25 ok, but top 1/3 of the 1st are for elite game changers. There has never been an elite game changer at C. Ever.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

So how were you with the Albert selection in the first round?

I viewed Albert as a guy that had a floor of an exceptional LG, but the ceiling of an all pro left tackle.

I understood that he was a project but that he had ELITE tools and was worth some patience.

All in all, I liked the pick.

Please, don't try to dig yourself deeper and make a comparison to Reynolds here.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I viewed Albert as a guy that had a floor of an exceptional LG, but the ceiling of an all pro left tackle.

I understood that he was a project but that he had ELITE tools and was worth some patience.

All in all, I liked the pick.

Please, don't try to dig yourself deeper and make a comparison to Reynolds here.

Exactly. Excellent.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I viewed Albert as a guy that had a floor of an exceptional LG, but the ceiling of an all pro left tackle.

I understood that he was a project but that he had ELITE tools and was worth some patience.

All in all, I liked the pick.

Please, don't try to dig yourself deeper and make a comparison to Reynolds here.

Albert, for his first three seasons as a starting left tackle, had been downright atrocious.

He was okay this past season. Not good. Okay. Middle of the pack at best.

That's a far cry from "exceptional" to "all-pro."

And I'm not comparing him to Reynolds. Reynolds has four years of tape at the college level working at left tackle. (Those four years netted him Freshman First Team All-American and three years All-Conference First Team.) Albert was always going to be hypothetical project as an NFL tackle that has never come close to playing to his draft pick.

When it comes to the draft, I tend to be a little more conservative. I don't like pissing away a team's future on hypotheticals. Sometimes it works, but more often it doesn't. It's why I'd rather draft Konz (who is honestly one of the "elite" level players in this draft) than DeCastro and try to convert Hudson to guard. (Hudson was a better guard in college than DeCastro anyway.) It's why I wouldn't touch Tannehill with a ten foot pole in this draft. It's why I'd take Reynolds for the right tackle spot before any other guy after the first rounders. Reynolds will be able to immediately step in and produce at the ORT. Is he an elite prospect at left tackle? Nope. But he'll be a Day 1 starter for this team at RT.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Albert, for his first three seasons as a starting left tackle, had been downright atrocious.

He was okay this past season. Not good. Okay. Middle of the pack at best.

That's a far cry from "exceptional" to "all-pro."

And I'm not comparing him to Reynolds. Reynolds has four years of tape at the college level working at left tackle. (Those four years netted him Freshman First Team All-American and three years All-Conference First Team.) Albert was always going to be hypothetical project as an NFL tackle that has never come close to playing to his draft pick.

When it comes to the draft, I tend to be a little more conservative. I don't like pissing away a team's future on hypotheticals. Sometimes it works, but more often it doesn't. It's why I'd rather draft Konz (who is honestly one of the "elite" level players in this draft) than DeCastro and try to convert Hudson to guard. (Hudson was a better guard in college than DeCastro anyway.) It's why I wouldn't touch Tannehill with a ten foot pole in this draft. It's why I'd take Reynolds for the right tackle spot before any other guy after the first rounders. Reynolds will be able to immediately step in and produce at the ORT. Is he an elite prospect at left tackle? Nope. But he'll be a Day 1 starter for this team at RT.

Your anti-Albertism is at a hilarious level. Also, DeCastro is a far more elite prospect than Konz. I don't know where you come up with this shit, but its sad.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Your anti-Albertism is at a hilarious level. Also, DeCastro is a far more elite prospect than Konz. I don't know where you come up with this shit, but its sad.

Konz, as a junior, is, by far and away, the best center in this draft. He is the best true center prospect since Alex Mack. That is elite.

DeCastro is a guard that played in front of one of the best college quarterbacks of recent memory. A guard.

When you consider that Jon Martin, Dave DeCastro, Colby Fleener are all being talked about as "best at their position" when playing in front of a guy like Luck, one has to consider if it's Luck that's really, really good, or is it all these other guys that are "elite" level players.

Case in point, remember when all those guys from North Carolina State's defensive line got drafted in the first couple of rounds a couple of years back? Yeah, those same guys that played on the same line with Mario Williams.

Oh, yeah. Also, for Chief fans, remember that Ryan Sims guy, who tore it up at the Senior Bowl and who played next to some guy named Julius Peppers?

Exactly.

Maybe it's Martin, Fleener and DeCastro that are "elite" and they've been carrying Luck for the past couple of seasons.

Yeah, that's it...Luck is just been riding on these guys coat tails and he's completely overrated.

And I'm not saying that DeCastro sucks. He's had a very nice career. It's just that it's hard to evaluate a guy like that when you have a guy like Luck as a quarterback.

As well, I'm curious why he never got moved over to the center position in college when that's what he played in high school and was so highly rated for at that stage.

[jd1020]

You could say the same thing about Konz who played infront of Russell Wilson, who passed for over 10 ypa, completed 72% of his passes, and threw for 33 TDs this year. And Montee Ball, who rushed for nearly 2000 yards and scored 33 TDs.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Konz, as a junior, is, by far and away, the best center in this draft. He is the best true center prospect since Alex Mack. That is elite.

DeCastro is a guard that played in front of one of the best college quarterbacks of recent memory. A guard.

When you consider that Jon Martin, Dave DeCastro, Colby Fleener are all being talked about as "best at their position" when playing in front of a guy like Luck, one has to consider if it's Luck that's really, really good, or is it all these other guys that are "elite" level players.

Case in point, remember when all those guys from North Carolina State's defensive line got drafted in the first couple of rounds a couple of years back? Yeah, those same guys that played on the same line with Mario Williams.

Oh, yeah. Also, for Chief fans, remember that Ryan Sims guy, who tore it up at the Senior Bowl and who played next to some guy named Julius Peppers?

Exactly.

Maybe it's Martin, Fleener and DeCastro that are "elite" and they've been carrying Luck for the past couple of seasons.

Yeah, that's it...Luck is just been riding on these guys coat tails and he's completely overrated.

And I'm not saying that DeCastro sucks. He's had a very nice career. It's just that it's hard to evaluate a guy like that when you have a guy like Luck as a quarterback.

As well, I'm curious why he never got moved over to the center position in college when that's what he played in high school and was so highly rated for at that stage.

Try watching him. Sure his number COULD look good b/c Luck played so well he minimized the defensive lines effectiveness. If you watch, and see how he handles himself, how he reacts, and how he run blocks, it's pretty self evident he's very, very good.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Albert, for his first three seasons as a starting left tackle, had been downright atrocious.

I've said it before, but you must be wearing these when you watch football:

[BossChief]

When I read shit like this:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Albert, for his first three seasons as a starting left tackle, had been downright atrocious.

He was okay this past season. Not good. Okay. Middle of the pack at best.

That's a far cry from "exceptional" to "all-pro."

And I'm not comparing him to Reynolds. Reynolds has four years of tape at the college level working at left tackle. (Those four years netted him Freshman First Team All-American and three years All-Conference First Team.) Albert was always going to be hypothetical project as an NFL tackle that has never come close to playing to his draft pick.

When it comes to the draft, I tend to be a little more conservative. I don't like pissing away a team's future on hypotheticals. Sometimes it works, but more often it doesn't. It's why I'd rather draft Konz (who is honestly one of the "elite" level players in this draft) than DeCastro and try to convert Hudson to guard. (Hudson was a better guard in college than DeCastro anyway.) It's why I wouldn't touch Tannehill with a ten foot pole in this draft. It's why I'd take Reynolds for the right tackle spot before any other guy after the first rounders. Reynolds will be able to immediately step in and produce at the ORT. Is he an elite prospect at left tackle? Nope. But he'll be a Day 1 starter for this team at RT.

All I can do is