Ryan Braun tests positive for PED

[stonedstooge]

I don't understand why the test yielded a result that was so out of whack compared to others who tested positive. Isn't this an issue?

[mnchiefsguy]

Originally Posted by stonedstooge

I don't understand why the test yielded a result that was so out of whack compared to others who tested positive. Isn't this an issue?

The fact that the sample was not secure the entire time, in combination with the odd result, may have lead to the arbitrator ruling the way he did.

Hopefully more facts will be forthcoming. I am interested to see what the exact chain of custody was for the sample, etc.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by stonedstooge

I don't understand why the test yielded a result that was so out of whack compared to others who tested positive. Isn't this an issue?

I'd like to know where you read/heard that because as far as I know nothing factual has come out about his actual testosterone level. That sounds like something the Braun camp might have put out to curry favor in the media/public.

In any case, that apparently wasn't an issue at all here.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

I'd like to know where you read/heard that because as far as I know nothing factual has come out about his actual testosterone level. That sounds like something the Braun camp might have put out to curry favor in the media/public.

In any case, that apparently wasn't an issue at all here.

You don't know shit mr. race baiter...


Ryan Braun's positive test for testosterone showed a level that was extremely elevated, and likely the highest that has been recorded in Major League Baseball, according to sources with knowledge of the NL MVP's test.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201..._epstein/12/12
/ryan.braun.test/index.html

...and now a source close to the 2011 National League MVP has suggested to Teri Thompson of the New York Daily News that the results of the positive test were too high to be taken seriously. As in, they were at a dangerous level.

Here’s more from Thompson and the Daily News:

Ryan Braun’s original test for performance-enhancing drugs as the playoffs were winding down in October was “insanely high, the highest ever for anyone who has ever taken a test, twice the level of the highest test ever taken,” said a source familiar with the developing case in which Ryan was reported to have tested positive for an elevated level of testosterone caused by a synthetic substance, triggering a possible 50-game suspension.

The never-before-seen ratio, according to the source, is one of several “highly unusual circumstances.”

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...with-the-case/

Braun’s positive test reportedly included “insanely high levels” of testosterone, by far the most ever detected in a player. He requested an independent drug test a few weeks after testing positive, which was clean, but it was not authorized nor recognized as exculpatory by MLB.


http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/138857174.html

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by vailpass

You don't know shit mr. race baiter...

Who said anything about race here?

Ryan Braun's positive test for testosterone showed a level that was extremely elevated, and likely the highest that has been recorded in Major League Baseball, according to sources with knowledge of the NL MVP's test.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201..._epstein/12/12
/ryan.braun.test/index.html

[I]...and now a source close to the 2011 National League MVP has suggested to Teri Thompson of the New York Daily News that the results of the positive test were too high to be taken seriously. As in, they were at a dangerous level.

So you're citing some vague description of an "insanely high" test from a "source close to the 2011 National League MVP" (or basically, the Braun camp as I said) without any real facts at all?

It's amazing what people will believe when they want to.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Who said anything about race here?



So you're citing some vague description of an "insanely high" test from a "source close to the 2011 National League MVP" (or basically, the Braun camp as I said) without any real facts at all?

It's amazing what people will believe when they want to.

I don't think anyone out there is disputing or not believing those stories. Its not like this couldn't be objectively refuted, either Braun had the highest known test result in the history of that test, or he didn't. The "what the hell are they saying, thats that true, that's BS" story would have leaked long ago.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by alnorth

I don't think anyone out there is disputing or not believing those stories.

If they're not, they should. There's little reason to trust any source close to Braun in a situation like this. He has every reason to curry media and public favor.

Its not like this couldn't be objectively refuted, either Braun had the highest known test result in the history of that test, or he didn't. The "what the hell are they saying, thats that true, that's BS" story would have leaked long ago.

Or MLB didn't even bother dealing with such a bogus claim, knowing that the results were perfectly well within a normal PED user's ratio.

Nobody here knows the exact results of Braun's test. Let's not pretend we do based on a vague report months ago on the basis of a single source supposedly close to Ryan Braun. If the supposed "weirdness" of the sample played any real factor in this arbitrator's decision, it would have been a major factor, not a minor one.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

If they're not, they should. There's little reason to trust any source close to Braun in a situation like this. He has every reason to curry media and public favor.

You'd have to presume that they are cross-eyed drooling reeruns, because its not hard to come back with "they are lying, and here's the proof".

[veist]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Who said anything about race here?



So you're citing some vague description of an "insanely high" test from a "source close to the 2011 National League MVP" (or basically, the Braun camp as I said) without any real facts at all?

It's amazing what people will believe when they want to.

A lot of people wanting to believe the great white hope is clean and totally didn't get off on the thinnest of loopholes. Bet most of them also think your boy Bautista is doping (full disclosure I think he might be too, I don't trust that anyone is clean at this point) absent any actual evidence like this and would be all over him in the same situation.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by stonedstooge

I don't understand why the test yielded a result that was so out of whack compared to others who tested positive. Isn't this an issue?

It probably contributed. If the result was a standard "guilty" reading about the same as other dirty urine, maybe Braun doesn't win. However, if you combine this issue, however minor it may seem, with one of, if not the highest test result ever known to have occurred, characterized as "insanely high", that may be enough for Diaz to throw it out.