March Madness Poll: 12-15 seeds

[lcarus]

Vote for which 12-15 seed has the best opportunity for an upset. Pick one.

[lcarus]

I seem to always pick Vanderbilt to get upset, and I like to pick Ivy League schools. Probably going with Harvard on that one, and as usual, I'll probably lose my bracket early...

[Trevo_410]

Get owned beaks

[sedated]

Belmont is the top upset pick my mind, although Georgetown is a very good team.

I'm also taking Davidson, Long Beach State, and Ohio to win their first games.

[lcarus]

I've heard Detroit is a good team for a 15 seed. Could spell trouble for Kansas. With Detroit, Saint Mary's, and Belmont in their part of the bracket....christ I could see another early exit. Better KU teams have fallen to worse low seeds, that's for sure.

[WV]

VCU

[sedated]

Originally Posted by lcarus

I've heard Detroit is a good team for a 15 seed. Could spell trouble for Kansas. With Detroit, Saint Mary's, and Belmont in their part of the bracket....christ I could see another early exit. Better KU teams have fallen to worse low seeds, that's for sure.

Ya know, I think its getting a little excessive with the “KU can’t beat mid-majors” stuff, so I want to offer this:

KU losses against mid-majors since 2004 (Bill Self’s first year):
- Bucknell, 2005
- Bradley, 2006
- Northern Iowa, 2010
- VCU, 2011 (in the elite eight no less)

KU victories against mid-majors since 2004:
- Boston U, 2011
- Richmond, 2011
- Lehigh, 2010
- North Dakota State, 2009
- Dayton, 2009
- Portland State, 2008
- UNLV, 2008
- Davidson, 2008
- Niagara, 2007
- Southern Illinois, 2007
- UIC, 2004
- Pacific, 2004
- UAB, 2004

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by sedated

Ya know, I think its getting a little excessive with the “KU can’t beat mid-majors” stuff, so I want to offer this:

KU losses against mid-majors since 2004 (Bill Self’s first year):
- Bucknell, 2005
- Bradley, 2006
- Northern Iowa, 2010
- VCU, 2011 (in the elite eight no less)

KU victories against mid-majors since 2004:
- Boston U, 2011
- Richmond, 2011
- Lehigh, 2010
- North Dakota State, 2009
- Dayton, 2009
- Portland State, 2008
- UNLV, 2008
- Davidson, 2008
- Niagara, 2007
- Southern Illinois, 2007
- UIC, 2004
- Pacific, 2004
- UAB, 2004

And other programs lose in the first weekend just as often... Izzo loses in the first round over a 3rd of the time, about the same as KU with Roy and Self. Coach K is about a quarter of the time, even though he's obviously had more success in the FF than just about anyone.

I guess if KU missed the tournament, like UNC did after winning their first NC, or was a 6 seed every once in a while, like Duke was when they lost to VCU, it wouldn't look as bad? Damn them, never falling flat on their face during the regular season....

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by sedated

Ya know, I think its getting a little excessive with the “KU can’t beat mid-majors” stuff, so I want to offer this:

KU losses against mid-majors since 2004 (Bill Self’s first year):
- Bucknell, 2005
- Bradley, 2006
- Northern Iowa, 2010
- VCU, 2011 (in the elite eight no less)

KU victories against mid-majors since 2004:
- Boston U, 2011
- Richmond, 2011
- Lehigh, 2010
- North Dakota State, 2009
- Dayton, 2009
- Portland State, 2008
- UNLV, 2008
- Davidson, 2008
- Niagara, 2007
- Southern Illinois, 2007
- UIC, 2004
- Pacific, 2004
- UAB, 2004

When you live in the tourney and you're never below a 3-4 seed it's tough to win them all.

[Predarat]

I am going with Harvard (12) vs. Vanderbilt (5). Only three things are certain in life, death, taxes and Vandy choking.

[eazyb81]

Everyone is picking LBSU as the trendy 12 seed Cinderella, so that means it clearly won't happen.

Watch something crazy happen like VCU making the Final Four again.

[lcarus]

Originally Posted by Predarat

I am going with Harvard (12) vs. Vanderbilt (5). Only three things are certain in life, death, taxes and Vandy choking.

This. However Vanderbilt did just beat Kentucky for the SEC Tournament, so who knows this year.

[Predarat]

Originally Posted by lcarus

This. However Vanderbilt did just beat Kentucky for the SEC Tournament, so who knows this year.

There was not alot of pressure for them to win that, there is HUGE pressure for them to win one tourney game. Now if they get past the first game, they could make a run.

[Thorpilian]

Anyone who thinks that New Mexico will get beat be Long Beach St. either is an idiot, or just taking a guess and doesn't watch college basketball. If New Mexico played as well in the first half of the season as they did the whole second half of the season they would be a top 12-15 team with a 3-4 seeding in the tourney. Watch! No, I am not a homer. I am a stonch UNLV running Rebel basketball fan, and I know this team well due to conference play over the years and being a season ticket holder. They are strong. They will make a push deep in the tourney. Yes, they were seeded properly on a whole season to judge by. But, they were even better the WHOLE second half of the year. They could be a 3-4 seed based on their second half of the season play. Go U..N..L..V.., UNLV Go, Fight, Win! REB-----ELS!

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by Thorpilian

Anyone who thinks that New Mexico will get beat be Long Beach St. either is an idiot, or just taking a guess and doesn't watch college basketball. If New Mexico played as well in the first half of the season as they did the whole second half of the season they would be a top 12-15 team with a 3-4 seeding in the tourney. Watch! No, I am not a homer. I am a stonch UNLV running Rebel basketball fan, and I know this team well due to conference play over the years and being a season ticket holder. They are strong. They will make a push deep in the tourney. Yes, they were seeded properly on a whole season to judge by. But, they were even better the WHOLE second half of the year. Go REBELS!

You realize every at-large team in the bracket can make a similar argument, right?

Teams aren't seeded lower because they suck. Their seeded lower because they are inconsistent.