Chiefs interested in Soliai and Manning could hold up FA in general

[Carlota69]

Soliai has suitors, but Peyton chase could be a factor
Posted by Mike Florio on March 13, 2012, 10:56 AM EDT

APMike Freeman of CBSSports.com raised an interesting point earlier today on Twitter.

“When does the Manning backlash begin?“

The answer could be “very soon,” when fans and media begin to realize that Peyton’s indecision could keep teams on the sidelines in free agency.

Multiple league sources have pointed out already that some teams will wait to see whether they land Peyton before opening the change purse for other players. One guy caught in that dilemma, we’re told, is Dolphins nose tackle Paul Soliai.

Soliai played under the franchise tag in 2011, and he’ll hit the market at 4:00 p.m. ET on Tuesday. A league source tells PFT that the Broncos, Dolphins, Chiefs, Colts, 49ers, Patriots, and Falcons are interested.

But three of those teams (Denver, Miami, San Fran) reportedly are (or, at to the Niners, may be) in the Peyton chase. And so, while other teams that aren’t maneuvering for Manning are interested in Soliai, it’s hard to max out the market if half of the interested teams are twiddling their thumbs for Peyton.

The Broncos have the cap space to allow them to start spending while waiting for Peyton. Still, they need to know how to best budget their money, especially if Peyton will be bringing Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark and Jeff Saturday.

Bottom line? While free agency begins in five hours, it may not really get going until Peyton picks a team.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

My point is we need a backup anyway, if Orton can be had cheap enough why not.

Orton doesn't want to be a backup. Part of the reason he expressed disinterest in KC originally is because he didn't want to deal with the whole Cassel situation.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by patteeu

IMO, if Orton is available for backup prices, it's a no-brainer to sign him as Cassel's competition unless a better option (e.g. Manning) is available. The more interesting question is Cassel plus a lesser version of competition (e.g. Brady Quinn or Jason Campbell) versus a 3 year commitment to Orton.

You're assuming Orton wants to deal with competition. He's said publicly he wants to be a starter...

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Bump

is that the only option? 1 year of Cassel or 3 or 4 years of Orton? No, it's not. Orton is 100 times better than Cassel. He's been around and has probably learned from his experiences with different coaches and probably got better for it. Orton might be able to win us a playoff game, Cassel will never be able to do that. I'll take Orton for a year or 2 and draft Tannehill, if he makes it past Cleveland.

Orton is 100 times better than Cassel?

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You're assuming Orton wants to deal with competition. He's said publicly he wants to be a starter...

Wanting to and being a starter are two different things, Will he retire as opposed to being a backup?

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

Wanting to and being a starter are two different things..

Self awareness is not one of his strong points.

[Fritz88]

Seattle is an ideal place to Orton. He will beat Jackson for the job easily
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[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

Wanting to and being a starter are two different things, Will he retire as opposed to being a backup?

Certainly not.

But don't you think he'll go to a place where he might have a CHANCE to start vs. being forced to compete with a guy that is arguably a lesser talent and has a huge head start?

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Certainly not.

But don't you think he'll go to a place where he might have a CHANCE to start vs. being forced to compete with a guy that is arguably a lesser talent and a huge head start?

I hate the FO, I really do.

[Earthling]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I don't know how anyone could watch the way Orton played last season vs. the way Cassel played last season and see them as the same caliber player.

Orton did basic quarterback things like look of DBs and slide his protection that Cassel never did. He kept plays alive and found his 3rd reads unlike Cassel. He kept drives moving; even the ones that stalled in the red zone (often with a Bowe drop, a Jones stumble or an O'Connell...well whatever the !@#$ O'Connell did); unlike Cassel.

The eye test couldn't have yielded more dissimilar results. He simply plays the position correctly. Sometimes he's too aggressive, but with a defense like the Chiefs will have next season, that's fine; aggressive can be good.

This.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You're assuming Orton wants to deal with competition. He's said publicly he wants to be a starter...

I'm not really assuming that. I should have put "competition" in quotes because if Orton is signed, I'd expect him to be the starter. I pretty much agree with what you've been saying.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Once they got into the red zone, the offense stalled. That's been a knock on Orton his ENTIRE year.

There's also the fact that he threw for 300 yards against Green Bay and Oakland but then went to Denver and put up a Cassel-like 15-29 for 150 yards.

No argument there. But let's not forget they were missing their best RB and TE and the play calling was suspect at best.

I am not saying Orton is great or above average or maybe even average but he is better than Cassel by a country mile. I would rather have neither of them unless in a backup role but because the Chiefs are ****ing stupid it looks like they are the only option at this point.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Part of the reason he expressed disinterest in KC originally is because he didn't want to deal with the whole Cassel situation.

Hmm...didn't know Orton was a Chiefs fan. Sounds like he should post on this board.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

No argument there. But let's not forget they were missing their best RB and TE and the play calling was suspect at best.

I am not saying Orton is great or above average or maybe even average but he is better than Cassel by a country mile. I would rather have neither of them unless in a backup role but because the Chiefs are ****ing stupid it looks like they are the only option at this point.

I believe htis' position is that he would rather just go with Cassel this year ... suck ... get everyone cut/fired ... get a high draft pick ... move forward.

Instead of getting moderate improvement from Orton and keep inching forward.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Laz

I believe htis' position is that he would rather just go with Cassel this year ... suck ... get everyone cut/fired ... get a high draft pick ... move forward.

Instead of getting moderate improvement from Orton and keep inching forward.

I'm a bit worried that Orton, if he indeed would be an upgrade, would do nothing but perpetuate the mediocrity.

Slight improvement...calls for Orton to get "more help" because he's "earned another year." Same shit we've always been dealing with.

Yeah, Orton would probably be better for this team in the immediate future, but I don't think there's any chance in hell that we can win a SB with him. None. So it's kind of one those things where it's easy to say, "What's the point?"

So, yeah. I guess I would rather have Orton than Cassel, but...

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

No argument there. But let's not forget they were missing their best RB and TE and the play calling was suspect at best.

I am not saying Orton is great or above average or maybe even average but he is better than Cassel by a country mile. I would rather have neither of them unless in a backup role but because the Chiefs are ****ing stupid it looks like they are the only option at this point.

Most of the players that contributed to said play calling are still here.