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Old 06-20-2012, 09:45 AM   #1
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And no, Pioli didn't pay anyone to write that.

It's very grounded in reality.

TJ and Dorsey are very good against the run.
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Old 06-20-2012, 10:08 AM   #2
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And no, Pioli didn't pay anyone to write that.

It's very grounded in reality.

TJ and Dorsey are very good against the run.
It's not that they aren't good. They are.

They're good.

Problem is they were drafted and are being paid to be ****ing Sap and Bruce Smith.

It amazes me that the top 10 was too high to take a G (Decastro) but we can take a 3-4 DE in the top 5...
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Old 06-20-2012, 10:12 AM   #3
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It's not that they aren't good. They are.

They're good.

Problem is they were drafted and are being paid to be ****ing Sap and Bruce Smith.

It amazes me that the top 10 was too high to take a G (Decastro) but we can take a 3-4 DE in the top 5...
In case you didn't notice, most if us that would have been pissed if we drafted DeCastro were also the ones that weren't happy that we drafted a 5 tech #3 overall.

Dorsey wasn't drafted to be a 5 tech, so he doesn't apply.
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Old 06-20-2012, 10:21 AM   #4
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In case you didn't notice, most if us that would have been pissed if we drafted DeCastro were also the ones that weren't happy that we drafted a 5 tech #3 overall.
I'm not angry over the fan-logic. It's the organization's mentality/draft day value I have a problem with.

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Dorsey wasn't drafted to be a 5 tech, so he doesn't apply.
He does.

His talents are being wasted. He was drafted to play in a Cover 2 4-3 scheme (which I think he'd be a beast in) and then we went 3-4 and now he's a genius pianist who's doing weddings.

The best thing (for us and him) would be to trade him and use a 2nd or 3rd to replace him for much less...
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I'm not angry over the fan-logic. It's the organization's mentality/draft day value I have a problem with.
I don't think their logic applies here.

I think they took a player who filled a position of bigger need.
If Poe wasn't on the board, I have little doubt that they would have taken DeCastro.
I wasn't going to be happy with either decision.

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He does.

His talents are being wasted. He was drafted to play in a Cover 2 4-3 scheme (which I think he'd be a beast in) and then we went 3-4 and now he's a genius pianist who's doing weddings.

The best thing (for us and him) would be to trade him and use a 2nd or 3rd to replace him for much less...
If we were running this same sstem when Dorsey was drafted, I would have been pissed with the pick.

That's why he doesn't apply.

We are talking about how the picks were perceived at the time they were picked.
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Old 06-20-2012, 10:40 AM   #6
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If we were running this same sstem when Dorsey was drafted, I would have been pissed with the pick.

That's why he doesn't apply.

We are talking about how the picks were perceived at the time they were picked.
At the time it was a very good pick. And I still think he's a very good player.

I would say it's similar to giving Kurt Warner a huge contract and then in his second year we bring in an OC that installs the WCO and tells him to dink and dunk 5 yards at a time. It would be a waste...
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His talents are being wasted. He was drafted to play in a Cover 2 4-3 scheme (which I think he'd be a beast in) and then we went 3-4 and now he's a genius pianist who's doing weddings.
They're not.

He's good at 2-gapping.

He's 2-gapping.

The idea he was ever going to be some kind of great, or even good, pass rusher is a myth.
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The idea he was ever going to be some kind of great, or even good, pass rusher is a myth.
It's why he was drafted.

It's not a myth. The fact that he had to change schemes means that his strengths are no longer what he's asked to do.
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It's why he was drafted.

It's not a myth. The fact that he had to change schemes means that his strengths are no longer what he's asked to do.
He has never shown an ability to be a pass rusher in the NFL. Period. Never.

Didn't show it as a rookie. In his second year, he tried to 3-tech in the nickel, frequently. Sucked at it. He no longer plays in the nickel.

Dorsey as some kind of dominant pass rusher is a myth. He was never, ever going to be Warren Sapp.
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And no, Pioli didn't pay anyone to write that.

It's very grounded in reality.

TJ and Dorsey are very good against the run.
Really. The Chiefs ranked 26th against the run. TJ and Dorsey are nearly invisible against the pass. Don't just pretend they're out there for run plays.
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Two ordinary DEs are called superstars in an article. I bring it up for a discussion in a football forum. It's "borderline reeruned." Just because I don't put a negative brand on your posts does not mean all of your posts are smart. Someone needs to take his head out of his ass.

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