Maas on 610 - There's no leadership...bring Marty as consultant

[dallaschiefsfan]

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[KCDC]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Umm Sanchez was available on the clock when we picked in 2009. No need to trade and Cassel crippled the team by taking away a second round choice that could have been used on somebody useful.

Ah, I stand corrected. I was thinking of what other GMs might have done, and did, that was ill-advised.

[BossChief]

A really good draft gets you 2 quality starters and maybe another average starter.

2009 was a dumpster fire...no question.

2010 got us a handful of good players

Berry is currently dealing with a speed bump after a rookie season that ended with him starting in the probowl
Arenas is a solid nickel
Asamoah is a good guard
Lewis has also had injuries effect his impact...when he plays, he is a solid safety for a 5th rounder

I'm not gonna slam the guy by cherry picking guys that might have been better picks...getting 4 or 5 average to above average starters out of one draft is very good.

2011 netted us a lot of talent, too.

Hudson was off to a good start and was grading out pretty well.
Baldwin is a pick that has immense potential, but Cassel makes him look just average at best.
Houston is a total beast.
Brown is a corner and those take time...he is becoming quite a good special teamer in the meantime, though.
Powe might just be better than Cody would have been from the second round of 2010.

Those two drafts should be credited to Phil Emery...not Pioli. They were good enough for him to get a GM spot in Chicago.

In fact, milkman and I both said the 2011 draft has just as much (if not more) potential than the 2008 class and I stand by that.

I'm not a fan of the 2012 draft...but at least it got us some good line prosoects.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Had Pioli taken Washington and Joseph (let alone, offensive gems like Hernandez or Graham), this defense would be much further along. Instead, we're stuck with a tiny receiver that makes 3 yard catches and a returner.

Arenas had the third highest average on returns last year behind Peterson and Hester and is a good nickel.

Could we have done better? Yeah, probably...but let's try to be fair and not expect them to make the perfect pick with every selection. That's totally unrealistic.

I hated the Dexter pick, but the guy has been productive and has the best combination of hands and route running of any of our receivers and is tough as **** for such a little guy.

I absolutely think he will be VERY productive once we get a qb in here.

Look, I know this year has been beyond disappointing, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Arenas had the third highest average on returns last year behind Peterson and Hester and is a good nickel.

Big ****ing deal. How many touchdowns did he score? Is he a capable starter?

When you're traded for a HOFer, it's always going to be a tough road but he ****ing sucks. No one would notice if he were cut tomorrow.

Originally Posted by BossChief

Could we have done better? Yeah, probably...but let's try to be fair and not expect them to make the perfect pick with every selection. That's totally unrealistic.

Probably? Are you ****ing kidding me? I'd Jason Worilds, Carlos Dunlap, Terrence Cody, Sean Lee, Ben Tate, Golden Tate and Brandon Spikes over Arenas. And that's just guys that went in the second round!

Originally Posted by BossChief

I hated the Dexter pick, but the guy has been productive and has the best combination of hands and route running of any of our receivers and is tough as **** for such a little guy.

Productive? Yeah, he's been productive but at the expense of Steve Breaston, the tight ends (you name them), Jon Baldwin and of course, Dwayne Bowe.

Without McCluster (who was overdrafted by at least 3 rounds), Cassel would have totally ****ing sucked in 2010 and wouldn't be here in 2012.

Originally Posted by BossChief

I absolutely think he will be VERY productive once we get a qb in here.

He'll be an afterthought, as he should be.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BossChief

A really good draft gets you 2 quality starters and maybe another average starter.

Tell that to the Super Bowl winning 2007 New York Giants. Now, tell me that they'd even BE in that game without Steve Smith, Kevin Boss, Ahmad Bradshaw, etc. and so on.

Pioli is paid $5 MILLION PER YEAR. He's SUPPOSED to be BETTER than EVERYONE ELSE IN THE NFL.

He's not. He's a ****ing oxygen thief stealing Chiefs fans money and worse, TIME!

**** him.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by KCDC

We can always find better picks when we look back at a draft and have the benefit of hindsight.

What the ****?

Hey, Douchelord, there were people in this forum that had better Mock Drafts than Pioli in each and every year.

I know you're a n00b and all but that doesn't mean you get carte blanche for saying stupid ****ing shit.

Originally Posted by KCDC

I can remember all too well the conversations on this board pleading for the likes of Sanchez, Clausen, Aaron Curry, Jason Smith, Sergio Kindle, Eugene Monroe, etc. etc. They all were busts (except for Sanchez who will be a back up in a year or two and out of the league in five years, like Cassel). You may have supported some of those potential picks or similar busts if you are honest.

What the **** are you talking about?

Why don't you stop talking out of your ass, Mother****er, and sit back and learn.

Or use the goddamned search function, Idiot.

Originally Posted by KCDC

It is easy to seem like a genius when you can go back in time knowing what you do now and point out who was available at the pick. I'm trying to be fair, which is not a popular position to be in on CP, at times.

Oh, just go **** yourself.

[Psyko Tek]

Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

Discuss

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[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Arenas had the third highest average on returns last year behind Peterson and Hester and is a good nickel.

Arenas sucks ****ing horse cock as a cornerback.

He got toasted in New Orleans on a deep ball, got toasted against the Chargers for a TD.

Read it and weep.



Add Arenas to the pile of Pioli fail! And he only played 17 snaps last week. Great use of a high pick.

[Psyko Tek]

[QUOTE=Chiefnj2;8966351]Clark doesn't need a damn consultant to tell him what's wrong. Stevie Wonder can see what is wrong with this team. Years of poor drafting, poor coaching and players who don't care.

Winston played like Richardson yesterday. Berry played like Piscatelli. Moeaki is useless. And what might be the most telling, Cassel has regressed. I didn't think it was humanly possible for a QB to get worse than Cassel in 2011. But, hell he's done it this year. He can't even dump off the ball accurately. It's amazing how bad every single facet of the game is


hey **** you colquitt is money
and that is the best thing we got

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Add Arenas to the pile of Pioli fail! And he only played 17 snaps last week. Great use of a high pick.

The worst part is that he passed on some great players at NEED positions.

****ing Pioli. I hate him more today than in 2009. And that's saying a lot.

[crazycoffey]

Seriously, how much different is this team than two years ago? Minus haley and wiess. Which of those two should still be here?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Barney Stinson

Seriously, how much different is this team than two years ago? Minus haley and wiess. Which of those two should still be here?

Neither

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

me

FYP

[FAX]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Tell that to the Super Bowl winning 2007 New York Giants. Now, tell me that they'd even BE in that game without Steve Smith, Kevin Boss, Ahmad Bradshaw, etc. and so on.

Pioli is paid $5 MILLION PER YEAR. He's SUPPOSED to be BETTER than EVERYONE ELSE IN THE NFL.

He's not. He's a ****ing oxygen thief stealing Chiefs fans money and worse, TIME!

**** him.

That is exactly the point. Pioli isn't supposed to be guessing at this stage of his career and, to be brutally frank, that's exactly what his draft strategies appear to be ... guesswork.

Or ... and this is even scarier ... he's drafting outliers in order to make himself appear to be a genius ... making head-scratching picks at strange positions that nobody saw coming. The problem is that, in the meantime, we are passing up highly athletic, talented, contributing players at (as stated) positions of need while selecting what can only be described as either gadget or developmental players with really high picks.

And, the way I look at it, we suffered greatly for those damn picks and they need to be used wisely.

Chiefs fans tend to develop a sort of fondness or affinity or infatuation with players ... guys like Jackson or McDervish or Arenas or Moeaki ... but the fact is that we haven't yet seen the kind of draft that Pioli is being paid to deliver. And that, as they say in Belize, is the inside-out river snake on this deal.

FAX

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Arenas sucks ****ing horse cock as a cornerback.

He got toasted in New Orleans on a deep ball, got toasted against the Chargers for a TD.

Read it and weep.



Add Arenas to the pile of Pioli fail! And he only played 17 snaps last week. Great use of a high pick.

You can't even tell how that's sorted. How about sorting it by coverage?

Also, he is rated about the same as Carlos Rodgers, who is pretty good.

I would also EXPECT our corners not to be rated extremely high with such a small sample size of 4 games and having faced 3 franchise quarterbacks in those 4 games.