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Old 10-16-2012, 11:01 AM  
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KC already has a list of GM candidates to replace Pioli
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Despite rumors over weekend of Scott Pioli getting an extension, sources say KC already has a list of potential people to replace him as GM.
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:59 AM   #256
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Every coach is guilty of playing a few of the wrong guys. If over 3 years, those are the only 3 you're going to point to, that's not a bad track record. Unbelievably petty to use those as some kind of criticism of the guy.
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Old 10-17-2012, 01:02 AM   #257
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Every coach is guilty of playing a few of the wrong guys. If over 3 years, those are the only 3 you're going to point to, that's not a bad track record. Unbelievably petty to use those as some kind of criticism of the guy.
Haley was angry and loud and stern.

That's it.

Name that one player drafted, or signed, or traded for while he was HC that made us a better team...
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Old 10-17-2012, 01:03 AM   #258
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There are plenty of things Haley didn't do right. Claiming he was bad at evaluating personnel is an unbelievably weak argument. And pointing to less than a handful of guys in 3 years on a roster bare with talent is nothing to get riled up about.
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Old 10-17-2012, 01:06 AM   #259
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How? Proof in the pudding.

He's not exactly setting the world on fire in Pittsburgh, either.
His 3rd and long draw plays aren't winning much favor there either...
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Old 10-17-2012, 01:10 AM   #260
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Nothing? Mike Goff over Wade Smith? Larry Johnson over Charles? Leonard Pope?

JFC, you really need to shut the **** up. Haley sucked.
Pioli signed Goff and let Wade Smith walk...Larry Johnson was getting the money and had close to 900 yards in 12 games the previous year and Charles had 2 fumbles in only 67 carries as a rookie and was only about 190 pounds.

It took Haley 7 games to make the switch from LJ and Goff to Wade and Charles and that was after a full offseason of emphasizing to Charles that "you cant ply if you don't protect my football".

If you want to clown Haley on personnel moves, use Mike Brown, that one was all his fail.

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How? Proof in the pudding.

He's not exactly setting the world on fire in Pittsburgh, either.
Ben Rothlisbergers QB rating is up 10 points from last season.
His TOTAL QBR has gone from 63.6 up to 74.9 (good for 4th in the NFL)
his completion % is up a point and a half
his yards per game are up 25 yards per game.
His TD to INT ratio has gone from 21td 14int to 10td 2int

Yeah, no improvement, at all.

Cmon man.

Now, tell me how all this had nothing to do with Haley.
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Haley was angry and loud and stern.

That's it.

Name that one player drafted, or signed, or traded for while he was HC that made us a better team...
You talking Haley or Pioli?
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You talking Haley or PioLLLLLi?
Haley.

Unless at some point Pioli was HC of the team....
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Old 10-17-2012, 01:13 AM   #263
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Haley was angry and loud and stern.

That's it.

Name that one player drafted, or signed, or traded for while he was HC that made us a better team...
Haley didn't want Tyson Jackson. He didn't want Matt CasseLLLL. And I hardly see how this is a knock on Haley. It's a knock on PioLLLLLi that he should have expected Haley to win on a team that refused to spend money and wasted top picks on PioLLLLLi's pet players. Why would you blame bringing in talent when we've been told Pioli micromanaged most player decisions.

As for how he improved players... forced Albert to lose weight and learn technique, got Bowe so dedicated he started working out with Fitzgerald in his off-time, asked Hali to shed pounds and become a dominant force at OLB. There is a laundry list of players who improved under his watch. What players regressed besides CasseLLLL? Nobody can seem to answer that question.
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Haley.

Unless at some point Pioli was HC of the team....
You were talking about things a GM does.

Signing, drafting or trading for players.
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You were talking about things a GM does.

Signing, drafting or trading for players.
Only when you have reeruned top-down nazi management does the HC have no say...
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If Pioli was halfway objective about Matt Cassel, he would have obliged Haley on Hasselback and when Cassel went down in 2011 the difference between Palko and Hasselback would have been the difference between playoffs and a division title and what actually happened.

But Haley didn't go with the status quo in regards to Tyson Jackson and Matt Cassel, so he got undermined and ultimately fired.

Let me ask you guys a real question:

How much better would this team have been if we had re-signed Shaun Smith (who was loads better than Tyson Jackson) and had brought in Matt Hasselback?

I expect this post to be dodged.
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I wonder how many game day decisions Haley gets bashed for was the result of Pioli's micromanaging? Hell it wouldn't surprise me if he had a headset on in the booth trying to call plays.

Haley had his flaws, but you could do worse. Let's just hope Pioli is gone and the new guy brings in a quality HC.
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Only when you have reeruned top-down nazi management does the HC have no say...
Exactly....ahem.

I bet it was a mix of 90/10 Pioli/Haley as far as personnel moves go.
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Haley had his flaws, but you could do worse.
We have and likely will...
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I wonder how many game day decisions Haley gets bashed for was the result of Pioli's micromanaging? Hell it wouldn't surprise me if he had a headset on in the both trying to call plays.

Haley had his flaws, but you could do worse. Let's just hope Pioli is gone and the new guy brings in a quality HC.
For all we know, the reason the plays always came in late was because they had to go through Pioli....Muir was taking a nap in the box. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Pioli was talking to Matt during the games.

It sounds absurd to suggest such a thing, and Im not saying I believe that actually happened, but I wouldnt put it past him, either.
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