John Elway is turning out to be a pretty darn good GM

[RealSNR]

Are people this dumb?

"Brilliant move picking up Peyton Manning in free agency! Stunning and creative football wisdom in picking Von Miller!"

GREATEST PERSONNEL DIRECTOR EVAH!!!

Let's see Elway put together a string of good drafts before we judge him.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by SNR

Are people this dumb?

"Brilliant move picking up Peyton Manning in free agency! Stunning and creative football wisdom in picking Von Miller!"

GREATEST PERSONNEL DIRECTOR EVAH!!!

Let's see Elway put together a string of good drafts before we judge him.

4 starters (5 if Carter wasn't on IR) and 3 regular contributors in 2 drafts seems pretty good to me.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

4 starters (5 if Carter wasn't on IR) and 3 regular contributors in 2 drafts seems pretty good to me.

2010-2011 Pioli drafted 5 starters (6 if Hudson wasn't on IR) and 4 regular contributors, but he's still a shitty GM. If Manning had chosen the Chiefs instead of the Broncos, we'd likely be talking about how Elway is struggling and Pioli is the brains.

I prefer to remove Manning from the picture when judging how Elway will do in a few years.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by SNR

2010-2011 Pioli drafted 5 starters (6 if Hudson wasn't on IR) and 4 regular contributors, but he's still a shitty GM. If Manning had chosen the Chiefs instead of the Broncos, we'd likely be talking about how Elway is struggling and Pioli is the brains.

I prefer to remove Manning from the picture when judging how Elway will do in a few years.

That team is donkey shit without Jughead

[Quesadilla Joe]

Originally Posted by PGM

That team is donkey shit without Jughead

Yet we won the division without him last year.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by SNR

2010-2011 Pioli drafted 5 starters (6 if Hudson wasn't on IR) and 4 regular contributors, but he's still a shitty GM. If Manning had chosen the Chiefs instead of the Broncos, we'd likely be talking about how Elway is struggling and Pioli is the brains.

Starters on a 1-7 team. Awesome.

I prefer to remove Manning from the picture when judging how Elway will do in a few years.

Of course you would. Then you can pretend that Elway sucks and no one can argue because you are talking about a hypothetical fantasy.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by listopencil

Starters on a 1-7 team. Awesome.



Of course you would. Then you can pretend that Elway sucks and no one can argue because you are talking about a hypothetical fantasy.

You act all pompous, but switch the QB play and see where either team is at.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by PGM

You act all pompous, but switch the QB play and see where either team is at.

Nah, not pompous. Just calling bullshit when I see it. Here's a nice video of the leadership that Manning brings:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-...aking-it-count

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by listopencil

Nah, not pompous. Just calling bullshit when I see it. Here's a nice video of the leadership that Manning brings:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-...aking-it-count

That video only furthers PGM's point, you realize?

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by listopencil

Of course you would. Then you can pretend that Elway sucks and no one can argue because you are talking about a hypothetical fantasy.

Easy, champ. Calm down there.

I'm not saying the Elway sucks. I'm just not going to slobber over him for fielding a good team led by, oh, I don't know... PEYTON MANNING.

He gets credit as a front office personnel manager for his playing career and business acumen. The guy clearly said the right words to Manning to get him to sign there, likely referencing his own brilliant playing career to foster that relationship.

We'll see how well his drafts ACTUALLY translate after some more time. Those Chiefs starters we drafted long ago are 1-8 now, but in 2010 they looked just as impressive as Elway's guys do (excluding Von Miller, who is a significant grade above anybody Pioli has drafted). A toxic work environment, shitty coaching staff, and a few slapdicks at QB later, you get the 1-8 product you see before you.

John Fox is no Romeo Crennel, so I'm not saying your team would go 1-8 even if Manning got injured or retired. But you'll excuse me if I don't call Elway a ****ing football personnel genius just yet.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by SNR

Easy, champ. Calm down there.

I'm not saying the Elway sucks. I'm just not going to slobber over him for fielding a good team led by, oh, I don't know... PEYTON MANNING.

He gets credit as a front office personnel manager for his playing career and business acumen. The guy clearly said the right words to Manning to get him to sign there, likely referencing his own brilliant playing career to foster that relationship.

We'll see how well his drafts ACTUALLY translate after some more time. Those Chiefs starters we drafted long ago are 1-8 now, but in 2010 they looked just as impressive as Elway's guys do (excluding Von Miller, who is a significant grade above anybody Pioli has drafted). A toxic work environment, shitty coaching staff, and a few slapdicks at QB later, you get the 1-8 product you see before you.

John Fox is no Romeo Crennel, so I'm not saying your team would go 1-8 even if Manning got injured or retired. But you'll excuse me if I don't call Elway a ****ing football personnel genius just yet.

Nah, I'm not saying he's a FO genius either. Just saying that he's done a good job so far. There's more to this team than Peyton Manning and Von Miller though, they've made solid additions that don't get much press. And you have to lay the responsibility at Pioli's feet for how the Chiefs are performing. He got his Head Coach (twice) and he got his Quarterback. I would argue that Pioli is at least partially responsible for that toxic work environment himself.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by listopencil

And you have to lay the responsibility at Pioli's feet for how the Chiefs are performing. He got his Head Coach (twice) and he got his Quarterback. I would argue that Pioli is at least partially responsible for that toxic work environment himself.

Obvious Donk fan is being obvious.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by listopencil

Nah, I'm not saying he's a FO genius either. Just saying that he's done a good job so far. There's more to this team than Peyton Manning and Von Miller though, they've made solid additions that don't get much press. And you have to lay the responsibility at Pioli's feet for how the Chiefs are performing. He got his Head Coach (twice) and he got his Quarterback. I would argue that Pioli is at least partially responsible for that toxic work environment himself.

Partially?

[gcbroncos]

Originally Posted by SNR

Easy, champ. Calm down there.

I'm not saying the Elway sucks. I'm just not going to slobber over him for fielding a good team led by, oh, I don't know... PEYTON MANNING.

He gets credit as a front office personnel manager for his playing career and business acumen. The guy clearly said the right words to Manning to get him to sign there, likely referencing his own brilliant playing career to foster that relationship.

We'll see how well his drafts ACTUALLY translate after some more time. Those Chiefs starters we drafted long ago are 1-8 now, but in 2010 they looked just as impressive as Elway's guys do (excluding Von Miller, who is a significant grade above anybody Pioli has drafted). A toxic work environment, shitty coaching staff, and a few slapdicks at QB later, you get the 1-8 product you see before you.

John Fox is no Romeo Crennel, so I'm not saying your team would go 1-8 even if Manning got injured or retired. But you'll excuse me if I don't call Elway a ****ing football personnel genius just yet.

you don't get to discount his two best acquistions when evaqluating him as a GM... you're basically saying he is the same as Pioili if you remove Miller and Manning from the equation, who happen to be arguably offenive and defensive mvps of the league...thats ridiculous...

and just to clarify, its not impressive that elway decided to go after manning, many teams did... the part he gets credit for is convincing him to come to denver over all the other choices, where many thought wasnt a good fit for him...

and a crappy coaching staff and toxic work environment are part of the responsibilities of the GM/VP of Op as well, pioli owns that...i could name other players and coaches elway has brought in but i imagine you are aware of them for the most part...

whether you want to admit it or not, since elway has arrived as the guy in charge things have turned for Denver...