John Elway is turning out to be a pretty darn good GM

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He went out and got Peyton Manning and now look at them. He won a playoff game with Tim freaking Tebow.

We should try this. Will Shields for GM! Our own hall of fame player from the same era. Let's do this. Get it done Clark.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop

I still want Elway dead.

There you go. At least that's an honest response.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Elway offered Manning a suitcase full of under the table cash, Clark offered to share a 2 for 20 from Appelbees.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by listopencil

Starters on a 1-7 team. Awesome.



Of course you would. Then you can pretend that Elway sucks and no one can argue because you are talking about a hypothetical fantasy.

You act all pompous, but switch the QB play and see where either team is at.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by PGM

You act all pompous, but switch the QB play and see where either team is at.

Nah, not pompous. Just calling bullshit when I see it. Here's a nice video of the leadership that Manning brings:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-...aking-it-count

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by listopencil

Of course you would. Then you can pretend that Elway sucks and no one can argue because you are talking about a hypothetical fantasy.

Easy, champ. Calm down there.

I'm not saying the Elway sucks. I'm just not going to slobber over him for fielding a good team led by, oh, I don't know... PEYTON MANNING.

He gets credit as a front office personnel manager for his playing career and business acumen. The guy clearly said the right words to Manning to get him to sign there, likely referencing his own brilliant playing career to foster that relationship.

We'll see how well his drafts ACTUALLY translate after some more time. Those Chiefs starters we drafted long ago are 1-8 now, but in 2010 they looked just as impressive as Elway's guys do (excluding Von Miller, who is a significant grade above anybody Pioli has drafted). A toxic work environment, shitty coaching staff, and a few slapdicks at QB later, you get the 1-8 product you see before you.

John Fox is no Romeo Crennel, so I'm not saying your team would go 1-8 even if Manning got injured or retired. But you'll excuse me if I don't call Elway a ****ing football personnel genius just yet.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by listopencil

Nah, not pompous. Just calling bullshit when I see it. Here's a nice video of the leadership that Manning brings:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-...aking-it-count

That video only furthers PGM's point, you realize?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

It's all good. We'll have the only young franchise QB in the division after the draft this year.

But, but, but Assweiler!!!!

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by listopencil

So...yes. Elway is running a team better than your GM. Bitch and moan all you want. There are a lot of you that look like fools for how much you ragged on him when he took the job. Cry into a tall glass of bitter grape juice. It doesn't matter. He's getting the job done.

Boy howdy, you sure told them!!



Feel better??

We suck, we know we suck, and we know our GM is to blame.

Sour grapes?? Hardly - most of us would prefer that Elway catches AIDS on his way to a plane crash.

Y'alls 1st Super Bowl is tainted - the NFL handed that to you. That was a CATCH at the end of the 1st drive the second half - and you KNOW Gonzalez's feet were in, just like I do.

Suck it, Donk.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by SNR

Easy, champ. Calm down there.

I'm not saying the Elway sucks. I'm just not going to slobber over him for fielding a good team led by, oh, I don't know... PEYTON MANNING.

He gets credit as a front office personnel manager for his playing career and business acumen. The guy clearly said the right words to Manning to get him to sign there, likely referencing his own brilliant playing career to foster that relationship.

We'll see how well his drafts ACTUALLY translate after some more time. Those Chiefs starters we drafted long ago are 1-8 now, but in 2010 they looked just as impressive as Elway's guys do (excluding Von Miller, who is a significant grade above anybody Pioli has drafted). A toxic work environment, shitty coaching staff, and a few slapdicks at QB later, you get the 1-8 product you see before you.

John Fox is no Romeo Crennel, so I'm not saying your team would go 1-8 even if Manning got injured or retired. But you'll excuse me if I don't call Elway a ****ing football personnel genius just yet.

Nah, I'm not saying he's a FO genius either. Just saying that he's done a good job so far. There's more to this team than Peyton Manning and Von Miller though, they've made solid additions that don't get much press. And you have to lay the responsibility at Pioli's feet for how the Chiefs are performing. He got his Head Coach (twice) and he got his Quarterback. I would argue that Pioli is at least partially responsible for that toxic work environment himself.

[RealSNR]

A mediocre GM can craft some ****ing amazing teams if he's got a real QB and gets lucky on a few drafts.

A great GM can craft some ****ing amazing teams by creating his own QB and luck.

A shitty GM will craft an enormous shithole of misery and sadness if he's as bad as Pioli.

I doubt Elway is the third type. It's between the first and second types that we don't know.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by listopencil

And you have to lay the responsibility at Pioli's feet for how the Chiefs are performing. He got his Head Coach (twice) and he got his Quarterback. I would argue that Pioli is at least partially responsible for that toxic work environment himself.

Obvious Donk fan is being obvious.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by Driving Wheel

Boy howdy, you sure told them!!



Feel better??

We suck, we know we suck, and we know our GM is to blame.

Sour grapes?? Hardly - most of us would prefer that Elway catches AIDS on his way to a plane crash.

Y'alls 1st Super Bowl is tainted - the NFL handed that to you. That was a CATCH at the end of the 1st drive the second half - and you KNOW Gonzalez's feet were in, just like I do.

Suck it, Donk.

Feel better? Why would I feel badly in the first place? My team is doing very well and one of the icons of our franchise is running the place successfully. And yeah, you guys look like a bunch of whiny pussies dogging on Elway when your team sucks. I hope I didn't bruise your labia when I pointed that out.

[Cephalic Trauma]

Originally Posted by SNR

Dumb thread.

Just want to quote this to drive home the point to the OP.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma

Just want to quote this to drive home the point to the OP.

I think the after high Jumbo Jack made him post it.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by listopencil

And yeah, you guys look like a bunch of whiny pussies dogging on Elway when your team sucks.

Suck or not, I will "dog on" Elway for the rest of my life.

**** that horse-faced donkey puncher.