2013 QB Class

[O.city]

This was posted in another thread by Milkman, but it got overlooked so I'm making a thread out of it.

I know, another QB thread. But this needs to be put out there for some of the "posters" here to see and think about.

The top three in this years class are in no particular order:

Geno Smith
Tyler Wilson
Matt Barkley

Thats not counting Bray, Glennon, Nassib, etc. Who are all talented in their own right.

So, many posters here want to say, "no not this year, this class is awful don't take one, there isn't a Luck or RGIII in the bunch", which isn't necessarily false.

No there isn't a once in a decade guy. Which is probably what Luck was. Hell even more there have been 2 guys of his stature come out in the last 20 or so years. Luck and Manning.

Yet there are franchise QB's all over the league. How is that so you may ask?

Lets take a look at the last 5 QB classes top 3 guys to come out and get drafted, taking out 2012's class.

2007
Jamarcus Russel
Brady Quinn
Kevin Kolb

2008
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
Brian Brohm

2009
Matt Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman

2010
Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Jimmy Clausen

2011
Cam Newton
Blaine Gabbert
Jake Locker

Look at those classes and no, you have to evaluate them at the time they were picked, not what they are now, we don't know what this years class will be in the NFL.

I'd argue that this years class is more loaded than any of those classes at the top and from top to bottom.

So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

so the plan is to take a less talented, riskier prospect at QB (the most important position) so that we can draft a LB with the #1 pick?

is this what people are seriously discussing?

There's no logic with this approach unless you're willing to move up to get the player, which likely would be needed given the dynamics of the current CBA.

There's a lot of Dayton Mooreishness going on in this thread. No reason to overthink anything. Maximum value: stay where you are and use the talent that's available.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

so the plan is to take a less talented, riskier prospect at QB (the most important position) so that we can draft a LB with the #1 pick?

is this what people are seriously discussing?

Yes.

Seriously.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by O.city

Lets see...........


Both.

There is no reason not too.

This is the Chiefs. I don't see them keeping both. Do you? Really? With the history of the Chiefs organization, you think they keep both?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

How many teams will take a QB in round 1 if the chiefs don't?

At least 4 QBs go in the 1st.

[Austin Ed]

[QUOTE=DeezNutz;9200695]And my post was more serious than not. You have a bunch of people who haven't seen him play making comments.

That's the nature of a message board.[/


They are asking the exact same question about Geno on the Jacksonville board---The Jungle. Answer there from a WVU fan is that Geno has underpeformed against better defenses, and has had problems finding receivers and has been less accurate in critical third down situations. I saw him play in person against Texas early in the year and he was lights out. However, he was not the same guy in some other games (eg, TTU and K State).

[O.city]

What he's saying is taht if you decide to wait and get your guy in the second, it' out of your hands whether you can draft him or not.


Why not just take him early so you know you can draft him.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

How many teams will take a QB in round 1 if the chiefs don't?

No clue. We can guess, but we don't have the luxury of trying to get lucky. GB did in '05, and they played their hand beautifully.

We must be intelligently proactive.

[ILChief]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

How many teams will take a QB in round 1 if the chiefs don't?

Jacksonville
Oakland
Buffalo
Arizona

[O.city]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

This is the Chiefs. I don't see them keeping both. Do you? Really? With the history of the Chiefs organization, you think they keep both?

With the money likely coming off the books, you almost are going to have to sign them to get to the floor.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Yes.

Seriously.

Tyler Bray is just as physically talented as Geno Smith. He has all the upside.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

No clue. We can guess, but we don't have the luxury of trying to get lucky. GB did in '05, and they played their hand beautifully.

We must be intelligently proactive.

I'd venture to say teams start doing this more often, with as important as the position has become.


Hell, if I were the Steelers GM and someone like Barkley or Wilson fell to me in the first round, I'd think long and hard about taking him.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'd venture to say teams start doing this more often, with as important as the position has become.


Hell, if I were the Steelers GM and someone like Barkley or Wilson fell to me in the first round, I'd think long and hard about taking him.

You know who else should think QB? Denver, depending how they've evaluated Asswhiler this year.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Tyler Bray is just as physically talented as Geno Smith. He has all the upside.

Physically, maybe.


Mentally, it's not close.

It's not all physicality. Bray has had 2 first round draft picks to throw too and hasn't put up good numbers.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

You know who else should think QB? Denver, depending how they've evaluated Asswhiler this year.

Well, they have a GM who seems to get it, so they probably will.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by ILChief

Jacksonville
Oakland
Buffalo
Arizona

You can probably add the Jets and the Eagles to the list... Foles may get the job. But lets say 6 to be conservative. Who are your top 7 QBs?