Chiefs 2013 QB Class - Page 19

O.city · 12-11-2012, 10:06 AM

This was posted in another thread by Milkman, but it got overlooked so I'm making a thread out of it.

I know, another QB thread. But this needs to be put out there for some of the "posters" here to see and think about.

The top three in this years class are in no particular order:

Geno Smith
Tyler Wilson
Matt Barkley

Thats not counting Bray, Glennon, Nassib, etc. Who are all talented in their own right.

So, many posters here want to say, "no not this year, this class is awful don't take one, there isn't a Luck or RGIII in the bunch", which isn't necessarily false.

No there isn't a once in a decade guy. Which is probably what Luck was. Hell even more there have been 2 guys of his stature come out in the last 20 or so years. Luck and Manning.

Yet there are franchise QB's all over the league. How is that so you may ask?

Lets take a look at the last 5 QB classes top 3 guys to come out and get drafted, taking out 2012's class.

2007
Jamarcus Russel
Brady Quinn
Kevin Kolb

2008
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
Brian Brohm

2009
Matt Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman

2010
Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Jimmy Clausen

2011
Cam Newton
Blaine Gabbert
Jake Locker

Look at those classes and no, you have to evaluate them at the time they were picked, not what they are now, we don't know what this years class will be in the NFL.

I'd argue that this years class is more loaded than any of those classes at the top and from top to bottom.

So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB.

ROYC75 · 12-11-2012, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Tyler Wilson is the next Brian Brohm. Petrino coached QB's often look better in college than they do on Sundays. We should definitely take a QB high, but I really don't know which one. I just know it doesn't need to be Wilson.

No way, but hey, time will tell.

O.city · 12-11-2012, 10:17 PM

Against the best pass defense he faced all year, Geno had a QBR of 160.

**the Talking Can** · 12-11-2012, 10:17 PM

[QUOTE=Austin Ed;9201278]

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

In addition to KSU and TTU, he was 32/54 with an Int against TCU, and 20/35 with two Ints against OU. No doubt he has an NFL arm and should be successful as a pro, but his stellar overall stats for the season are built on HUGE games against weaker opponents and good but not great games against some of the better teams he faced. There is a reason he dropped out of the Heisman picture after the TTU and KSU games.

he wasn't putting up those numbers against only KU

both texas and baylor were ranked when played them, and OU had the 8th rated pass defense which he proceeded to rape in epic fashion (he played his ass off against lsu last year too, but it doesn't count either...humiliated Clemson but doesn't count..etc)

and since we're playing this game, did everyone else who played baylor, texas and OU put up the numbers smith did? since it so easy...

QBs in college have bad games, and lose games...i was unaware until this year that had only ever happened to geno smith...

and i mostly hear this line of argument from people who have never actually watched him play, so my one question for you is how many games of smith have you seen?

O.city · 12-11-2012, 10:19 PM

Smith was to defensive plays away from winning 9 games this year.

If he's sitting at 9-3 right now, this isnt' even a discussion.

Mr. Laz · 12-11-2012, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Somebody's a little unstable.

a little?

kcbubb · 12-11-2012, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

Have you watched Geno this year?

I'm not saying that we shouldn't draft him. I'm just not sold on him. I have seen him play some. College stats are really not that important to me. I am thinking that we should consider our options. I just don't know if he is that much better a prospect than prospect number 7. I don't know if there is a dropoff.

Here are his college opponents.

Marshall
James Madison
Maryland
Baylor
@Texas
@Texas Tech
Kansas State
TCU
@Oklahoma State
Oklahoma
@Iowa State
Kansas

**BossChief** · 12-11-2012, 10:21 PM

If we somehow win a couple games and Jacksonville gets the top pick, I'd fork over whatever it takes to move up to get Geno...but id be fine if we had to stay put (because they don't want to move off the spot) and end up with Wilson, too.

It makes me sick reading peoples thoughts on how they prefer to continue to roll the dice for a "bargain" instead of doing what it takes to go get a bluechip guy.

**BossChief** · 12-11-2012, 10:21 PM

If we somehow pick a bust, we try again in a couple years like Jacksonville is gonna do.

Sorter · 12-11-2012, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb

I'm not saying that we shouldn't draft him. I'm just not sold on him. I have seen him play some. College stats are really not that important to me. I am thinking that we should consider our options. I just don't know if he is that much better a prospect than prospect number 7. I don't know if there is a dropoff.

Here are his college opponents.

Marshall
James Madison
Maryland
Baylor
@Texas
@Texas Tech
Kansas State
TCU
@Oklahoma State
Oklahoma
@Iowa State
Kansas

WTF difference does it make in drafting him at #7 or #1, especially with the rookie cap?

You do know they changed that right? You don't just live under a rock?

O.city · 12-11-2012, 10:23 PM

In losses this year, Geno threw 11 TD's vs 5 INTs.

And in those losses, his defense gave up an average of 48 points.

So against the best teams/defenses he played this year, he had to score 50 points to win. And he got fairly close in 3 of the 5 games.

**the Talking Can** · 12-11-2012, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb

I'm not saying that we shouldn't draft him. I'm just not sold on him. I have seen him play some. College stats are really not that important to me. I am thinking that we should consider our options. I just don't know if he is that much better a prospect than prospect number 7. I don't know if there is a dropoff.

Here are his college opponents.

Marshall
James Madison
Maryland
Baylor
@Texas
@Texas Tech
Kansas State
TCU
@Oklahoma State
Oklahoma
@Iowa State
Kansas

so you haven't actually watched him play

or any of the other QBs either, probably...

that's why you can't reference any actual plays in actual games, or mention any actual specifics about his mechanics, his offense, his defense, his coaching, basically anything...much less his mechanics compared to any other specific QB

but you can copy and paste his schedule from the internet and pretend it means something...

kcbubb · 12-11-2012, 10:26 PM

[QUOTE=the Talking Can;9201298]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Austin Ed

he wasn't putting up those numbers against only KU

both texas and baylor were ranked when played them, and OU had the 8th rated pass defense which he proceeded to rape in epic fashion (he played his ass off against lsu last year too, but it doesn't count either...humiliated Clemson but doesn't count..etc)

and since we're playing this game, did everyone else who played baylor, texas and OU put up the numbers smith did? since it so easy...

QBs in college have bad games, and lose games...i was unaware until this year that had only ever happened to geno smith...

and i mostly hear this line of argument from people who have never actually watched him play, so my one question for you is how many games of smith have you seen?

He could be great. I don't know, but I don't think he is that much better a prospect to be chosen when we have a deep QB class. He hasn't played against that many big time opponents and puts up most of his stats against lesser teams. He had two ints against OU.

ROYC75 · 12-11-2012, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

Like I said in the OP, last years QB class is the anomaly.

This years class is as good or better than nearly every previous class.

With the exception of Luck & RGIII being separated from # 3 at the top of last years being better before the draft, this year's class is probably deeper top to bottom, it's arguably closer 1 through 10 on a talent level.

O.city · 12-11-2012, 10:27 PM

[QUOTE=kcbubb;9201321]

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

He could be great. I don't know, but I don't think he is that much better a prospect to be chosen when we have a deep QB class. He hasn't played against that many big time opponents and puts up most of his stats against lesser teams. He had two ints against OU.

How many TD's did he throw?

**the Talking Can** · 12-11-2012, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb

He could be great. I don't know, but I don't think he is that much better a prospect to be chosen when we have a deep QB class. He hasn't played against that many big time opponents and puts up most of his stats against lesser teams. He had two ints against OU.

jesus christ, you haven't even watched him play...or any of these QBs

you're just making shit up

and his performance against OU was jaw dropping...epic

but you didn't see it, so you don't know what the **** you're talking about

which seems to be a theme with people who don't want smith..../black reerun

12-11-2012, 10:06 AM
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-765936	2013 QB Class This was posted in another thread by Milkman, but it got overlooked so I'm making a thread out of it. I know, another QB thread. But this needs to be put out there for some of the "posters" here to see and think about. The top three in this years class are in no particular order: Geno Smith Tyler Wilson Matt Barkley Thats not counting Bray, Glennon, Nassib, etc. Who are all talented in their own right. So, many posters here want to say, "no not this year, this class is awful don't take one, there isn't a Luck or RGIII in the bunch", which isn't necessarily false. No there isn't a once in a decade guy. Which is probably what Luck was. Hell even more there have been 2 guys of his stature come out in the last 20 or so years. Luck and Manning. Yet there are franchise QB's all over the league. How is that so you may ask? Lets take a look at the last 5 QB classes top 3 guys to come out and get drafted, taking out 2012's class. 2007 Jamarcus Russel Brady Quinn Kevin Kolb 2008 Matt Ryan Joe Flacco Brian Brohm 2009 Matt Stafford Mark Sanchez Josh Freeman 2010 Sam Bradford Tim Tebow Jimmy Clausen 2011 Cam Newton Blaine Gabbert Jake Locker Look at those classes and no, you have to evaluate them at the time they were picked, not what they are now, we don't know what this years class will be in the NFL. I'd argue that this years class is more loaded than any of those classes at the top and from top to bottom. So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB.
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12-11-2012, 10:17 PM	#272
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-765936	Against the best pass defense he faced all year, Geno had a QBR of 160.
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12-11-2012, 10:19 PM	#274
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-765936	Smith was to defensive plays away from winning 9 games this year. If he's sitting at 9-3 right now, this isnt' even a discussion.
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12-11-2012, 10:21 PM	#277
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1775912	If we somehow win a couple games and Jacksonville gets the top pick, I'd fork over whatever it takes to move up to get Geno...but id be fine if we had to stay put (because they don't want to move off the spot) and end up with Wilson, too. It makes me sick reading peoples thoughts on how they prefer to continue to roll the dice for a "bargain" instead of doing what it takes to go get a bluechip guy. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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12-11-2012, 10:23 PM	#280
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-765936	In losses this year, Geno threw 11 TD's vs 5 INTs. And in those losses, his defense gave up an average of 48 points. So against the best teams/defenses he played this year, he had to score 50 points to win. And he got fairly close in 3 of the 5 games.
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