Chiefs Official: Andy Reid Signs His Contract - Page 10

Marty Mac Ver 2.0 · 07:28 PM

Press Conference at 1pm on Monday.

Rejoice Brothers and Sisters!

milkman · 01-05-2013, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Pro Bowler

I guess I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish here. It sounds like you've decided that nobody should ever get excited about any hire if they've ever been disappointed in the past.

If that's the way you want to look at things, I suppose that's fine for you. I just happen to think that an Andy Reid / John Dorsey combination as head coach and GM is something to get excited about. There's no guarantee that it's going to work out, but even the most pessimistic fan HAS to admit that it's a hell of a lot better combination than Romeo Crennel and Scott Pioli.

I am not excited about Andy Reid as the HC of the Chiefs, the same as I was not excited about Scott Pioli as the GM of the Chiefs when he was hired.

I am not really trying to acomplish anything here, except to show that I am not really on board.

milkman · 01-05-2013, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Good thing the #1 candidate for our GM job was the director of college scouting for the Packers...

If Dorsey does take the job, then I can buy in a little more.

htismaqe · 01-05-2013, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I am not excited about Andy Reid as the HC of the Chiefs, the same as I was not excited about Scott Pioli as the GM of the Chiefs when he was hired.

I am not really trying to acomplish anything here, except to show that I am not really on board.

You've never been on board.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-05-2013, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Pro Bowler

I guess I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish here. It sounds like you've decided that nobody should ever get excited about any hire if they've ever been disappointed in the past.

If that's the way you want to look at things, I suppose that's fine for you. I just happen to think that an Andy Reid / John Dorsey combination as head coach and GM is something to get excited about. There's no guarantee that it's going to work out, but even the most pessimistic fan HAS to admit that it's a hell of a lot better combination than Romeo Crennel and Scott Pioli.

The problem is when fans get over-excited, they let things slide. Just as we, myself not just included (maybe especially), did with Pioli. I'm optimistic about Reid. I'm also not going to kid myself and pretend the red flags aren't there, both in what he did in Philly and what KC might do to coddle him.

WhiteWhale · 01-05-2013, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefMojo

That was actually one of Reid's downfall in Philly. He was always known to be a head coach that concentrated on the draft but the last few years he dived into the FA market and it didn't work.

Sure there were other issues (death of Johnson, never getting a defensive staff settled afterwards, lack of cohesion in the front office after Heckert left and his family personal issues).

Who knows if Reid will work but at the same time one gets the feeling he stayed in Philly for to long and started going against his original blue print in the end. He gets a new start staff wise and gets to go back to his original blue print again.

What happened to Reid in philly parallels a LOT of long tenured coaches. Once the 'superbowl or bust' pressure is on after 8 or more years things change.

The coach's core has aged and he has to rebuild, but the fans will not tolerate a rebuild with the same coach. They just won't. Instead he starts trying to 'retool' by grabbing any talent, regardless of baggage, just to fill holes left by his aging stars.

It happened to Marty, and it happened to Fisher. Well, actually Fisher WAS allowed to rebuild... it just failed.

ChiefMojo · 01-05-2013, 10:07 AM

Who did you want milkman? That isn't a question of disagreement but just curious who you wanted?

Imon Yourside · 01-05-2013, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefMojo

Who did you want milkman? That isn't a question of disagreement but just curious who you wanted?

I wanted Kelly but think Reid was probably my 2nd choice.

htismaqe · 01-05-2013, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefMojo

That was actually one of Reid's downfall in Philly. He was always known to be a head coach that concentrated on the draft but the last few years he dived into the FA market and it didn't work.

Sure there were other issues (death of Johnson, never getting a defensive staff settled afterwards, lack of cohesion in the front office after Heckert left and his family personal issues).

Who knows if Reid will work but at the same time one gets the feeling he stayed in Philly for to long and started going against his original blue print in the end. He gets a new start staff wise and gets to go back to his original blue print again.

14 years. Comfort. Myopia.

He gave Juan Castillo the DC job because Castillo wanted to be a coordinator and Andy wanted to do him a favor.

Was it a bad decision? Absolutely.

But it's a decision you make in year 11 or 12 of your tenure, not year 1.

htismaqe · 01-05-2013, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

What happened to Reid in philly parallels a LOT of long tenured coaches. Once the 'superbowl or bust' pressure is on after 8 or more years things change.

The coach's core has aged and he has to rebuild, but the fans will not tolerate a rebuild with the same coach. They just won't. Instead he starts trying to 'retool' by grabbing any talent, regardless of baggage, just to fill holes left by his aging stars.

It happened to Marty, and it happened to Fisher. Well, actually Fisher WAS allowed to rebuild... it just failed.

THIS.

**mlyonsd** · 01-05-2013, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The problem is when fans get over-excited, they let things slide. Just as we, myself not just included (maybe especially), did with Pioli. I'm optimistic about Reid. I'm also not going to kid myself and pretend the red flags aren't there, both in what he did in Philly and what KC might do to coddle him.

From the looks of the QB poll thread if the chiefs don't go after a QB in the 1st round the over-excited expectations will turn into all out rebellion before the first snap of training camp.

There might even be a banner flying around St. Joe.

Pasta Little Brioni · 01-05-2013, 10:11 AM

Can't wait to head to other team's boards and read the "Cassel wouldn't be a bad number 2 for the right price. Maybe fill in starter." posts, heh.

milkman · 01-05-2013, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefMojo

Who did you want milkman? That isn't a question of disagreement but just curious who you wanted?

I've struggled with this, since the Clark Hunt really limited the choices with the criteria that established.

Before the offseason started, David Shaw was my top choice.

After Hunt described what he was looking for in a HC, Bill Cowher and Brian Billick would have been far more preferable.

And thinking outside the box, I would have looked in the direction of the CFL and talked to Marc Trestman.

htismaqe · 01-05-2013, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I've struggled with this, since the Clark Hunt really limited the choices with the criteria that established.

Before the offseason started, David Shaw was my top choice.

After Hunt described what he was looking for in a HC, Bill Cowher and Brian Billick would have been far more preferable.

And thinking outside the box, I would have looked in the direction of the CFL and talked to Marc Trestman.

You'd really take Cowher over Reid? Are you feeling OK?

Lex Luthor · 01-05-2013, 10:22 AM

I guess one thing that makes me happy about hiring Andy Reid is that it almost seems that giving the GM power to the head coach was the only way that Clark Hunt was willing to get rid of that POS Pioli.

If Clark had hired a brand new head coach, he would have had to fire Pioli and hire a brand new GM too. We all know that it's EXACTLY what he should have done, but based upon the way Clark approached the whole thing this week, my fear is that Pioli might have survived if Clark hadn't hired a head coach who could make this decision for him.

Maybe I'm not being fair to Clark Hunt. Maybe if he had hired Chip Kelly or Mike McCoy or Jay Gruden, he would have then fired Pioli and then started looking for a new GM. But letting Reid do the work of finding his own GM certainly made the process easier for Clark and quicker for everyone.

Just think what a fiasco it would have been if Chip Kelly and Scott Pioli were peers next season. Their conflict could have been a replay of the Pioli/Haley conflicts.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-05-2013, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by R8ers

You guys wouldn't even pay KY Orton with a team full of shit, That's the main reason you guys haven't sniffed a SB since ****ing Gatorade was invented. The Hunts are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP, and they will remain CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP.

No, Kyle Orton didn't even give the Chiefs a chance. He bolted for Dallas the minute they told him Cassel was the starter going forward.

Cheap owners don't shell out nearly 2.5 million for Haley to go away, 4 million for Romeo go to away and 15 million for Pioli to go away.

Sorry, the Clark is cheap bullshit is garbage. The Hunt family spent a ton on free agent contracts in the 2000s. He spent a ton of money in 2010 to get Weis and Romeo on staff as well.

Reid is going to cost 40 million. He's hiring a new GM that's going to get at least 3-5 million a year and have to hire a cap guy.

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Lex Luthor MVP Join Date: Mar 2010 Casino cash: $10022775	I guess one thing that makes me happy about hiring Andy Reid is that it almost seems that giving the GM power to the head coach was the only way that Clark Hunt was willing to get rid of that POS Pioli. If Clark had hired a brand new head coach, he would have had to fire Pioli and hire a brand new GM too. We all know that it's EXACTLY what he should have done, but based upon the way Clark approached the whole thing this week, my fear is that Pioli might have survived if Clark hadn't hired a head coach who could make this decision for him. Maybe I'm not being fair to Clark Hunt. Maybe if he had hired Chip Kelly or Mike McCoy or Jay Gruden, he would have then fired Pioli and then started looking for a new GM. But letting Reid do the work of finding his own GM certainly made the process easier for Clark and quicker for everyone. Just think what a fiasco it would have been if Chip Kelly and Scott Pioli were peers next season. Their conflict could have been a replay of the Pioli/Haley conflicts.
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