1 gap 3-4; how do you think it will shake out?

[saphojunkie]

From what I can tell, though, Rex Ryan's system isn't a 1-gap. It is the hybrid 46 that still has the NT playing a zero technique.

Am I way off base, here?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

From what I can tell, though, Rex Ryan's system isn't a 1-gap. It is the hybrid 46 that still has the NT playing a zero technique.

Am I way off base, here?

Sutton wasn't the defensive coordinator under Ryan. He was the DC under Mangini.

Of course, he was also on Herm's staff.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Sutton wasn't the defensive coordinator under Ryan. He was the DC under Mangini.

Of course, he was also on Herm's staff.

But then he would be running the Bill Parcells 2-gap defense.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

From what I can tell, though, Rex Ryan's system isn't a 1-gap. It is the hybrid 46 that still has the NT playing a zero technique.

Am I way off base, here?

Rex's system is but IIRC, Sutton calls for more pure 1-gap (shades from the NT) than Rex. Additionally, Rex isn't a true 46 recently and does have his nose and DEs play more 1-gap philosophies.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Rex's system is but IIRC, Sutton calls for more pure 1-gap (shades from the NT) than Rex. Additionally, Rex isn't a true 46 recently and does have his nose and DEs play more 1-gap philosophies.

Pestilence posted a great breakdown in the "Reid finalizing..." thread. Basically he has coached in Every system known. I am not exactly pumped about the hire, but I am definitely withholding judgment.

Andy Reid gets some slack to take at least one or two chances on his staff.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Pestilence posted a great breakdown in the "Reid finalizing..." thread. Basically he has coached in Every system known. I am not exactly pumped about the hire, but I am definitely withholding judgment.

Andy Reid gets some slack to take at least one or two chances on his staff.

Yeah, I;m only enthused because of his experience in different systems + us staying in a 34 front. Guess the Cardinals told us to **** right on off about Horton. Bummer.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Pestilence posted a great breakdown in the "Reid finalizing..." thread. Basically he has coached in Every system known. I am not exactly pumped about the hire, but I am definitely withholding judgment.

Andy Reid gets some slack to take at least one or two chances on his staff.

Here's my worry, though.

When Pioli hired Haley, my response to the Pioli-smokers was essentially "Hey, even if we assume he was the mastermind of the Patriots roster, we know he had nothing to do with hiring coaches so why take him at face value on the hiring?"

Pioli knew nothing about hiring head coaches so I was loathe to give him too much rope.

Well Reid's dicked up his last few DC hires....so why give him rope in this area?

I'm going to give him a chance because it's only fair, but I'm not giving him any more rope than I would have if Pioli had hired him. There's nothing in Reid's track record to suggest that he's worth a damn at finding qualified DCs.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Here's my worry, though.

When ***** hired Haley, my response to the *****-smokers was essentially "Hey, even if we assume he was the mastermind of the Patriots roster, we know he had nothing to do with hiring coaches so why take him at face value on the hiring?"

***** knew nothing about hiring head coaches so I was loathe to give him too much rope.

Well Reid's dicked up his last few DC hires....so why give him rope in this area?

I'm going to give him a chance because it's only fair, but I'm not giving him any more rope than I would have if ***** had hired him. There's nothing in Reid's track record to suggest that he's worth a damn at finding qualified DCs.

This.


The one thing I will give him credit for on this, is that it seems he went and got the guy who's style fits whats here, not forcing guys into roles they aren't as good at.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

This.


The one thing I will give him credit for on this, is that it seems he went and got the guy who's style fits whats here, not forcing guys into roles they aren't as good at.

Agreed. The hire is uninspiring. There's concerns, but also potential bright side.

My concern is that Sutton's track record has been anything but spectacular. My other concern is that he goes to 2-gap, which I imagine is what he ran under Mangini.

The bright side is... great to see Reid flexed schemes. Also he must have been very well respected for Rex to keep him on staff after Mangini was fired. Even if he got demoted, it's fairly unusual for a DC to stay on the team after he's fired. The other key points are that he's now familiar with the Rex Ryan scheme. Let's hope he's learned a thing or two. Also, in his first stint as DC, don't forget that he had to adjust a 4-3 into a 3-4, which can take some time to do.

[cyborgtable]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Agreed. The hire is uninspiring. There's concerns, but also potential bright side.

My concern is that Sutton's track record has been anything but spectacular. My other concern is that he goes to 2-gap, which I imagine is what he ran under Mangini.

The bright side is... great to see Reid flexed schemes. Also he must have been very well respected for Rex to keep him on staff after Mangini was fired. Even if he got demoted, it's fairly unusual for a DC to stay on the team after he's fired. The other key points are that he's now familiar with the Rex Ryan scheme. Let's hope he's learned a thing or two. Also, in his first stint as DC, don't forget that he had to adjust a 4-3 into a 3-4, which can take some time to do.

Yeah he ran a 2-gap under Mangini and the defense suffered, he also was part of a decent 1-gap 4-3 under Sperm and a very very good 1-gap under Ryan. I think he will run the 1-gap because the defense's he's been associated with were better and he will have the say. I agree with Clay on the run defense but with Flowers that should be mitigated to some extent if Sutton runs anything like Rex

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Here's my worry, though.

When ***** hired Haley, my response to the *****-smokers was essentially "Hey, even if we assume he was the mastermind of the Patriots roster, we know he had nothing to do with hiring coaches so why take him at face value on the hiring?"

***** knew nothing about hiring head coaches so I was loathe to give him too much rope.

Well Reid's dicked up his last few DC hires....so why give him rope in this area?

I'm going to give him a chance because it's only fair, but I'm not giving him any more rope than I would have if ***** had hired him. There's nothing in Reid's track record to suggest that he's worth a damn at finding qualified DCs.

Yeah, I think that's about where I'm at. Love the Reid hire. Love the broad changes in the front office.

Overall, I am way more on the side of "players make the coach" and not the other way around, but I think we have earned the right to remain a little skeptical.